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The boss of the Rugby Football Union admits England have "tested the patience of fans" in recent months but are "heading in the right direction".

Eddie Jones' men lost three times in the Six Nations but recovered from 1-0 down to beat Australia 2-1.

RFU chief Bill Sweeney says the series win showed England are "on track" before the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

"We are not blind to the last two Six Nations, they have both been disappointing and we know that."

Sweeney added to BBC Sport: "We have a very loyal but demanding set of fans, so have we been testing the patience of the England fans? Yes we probably have been.

"Behind the scenes, in looking at the performances and looking at the direction we are going in, we felt we were going in the right direction.

"If you look at how some of these players are performing, and the players that weren't involved who are waiting to come in, we believe we are on track.

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While Jones will take England through to the World Cup in France, the hunt is on to find his successor, with a phalanx of high-calibre candidates emerging as potential replacements.

Leicester's Premiership-winning coach Steve Borthwick is one of the leading contenders, while the likes of Ireland boss Andy Farrell and France coach Shaun Edwards are also on the RFU's shortlist, although they would definitely be unavailable until the end of 2023 because of their international commitments.

Sweeney says it remains "optimal" for the next England head coach to join Jones' coaching staff next summer before the World Cup, but this will depend on contractual situations.

"In some cases that might not be possible, so we will just have to wait and see," Sweeney added.

"It depends on the individual and the scenario. If it was possible, that is the optimal solution, but it might not be possible.

"We have our preferred options, but sometimes you are not able to do that. We are comfortable it is progressing in the right way."
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I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England
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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England

and Eddie coaching Australia!
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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England

Not looking likely in the short term.
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Head coach Eddie Jones does not see 'really strong problems' despite Twickenham defeat

Anybody optimistic that Eddie/the team will turn things around in time for the arrival of the All Blacks? 
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A year from World Cup…not a great start.
Looking forward to new beginnings.
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Head coach Eddie Jones does not see 'really strong problems' despite Twickenham defeat

Anybody optimistic that Eddie/the team will turn things around in time for the arrival of the All Blacks? 

Sunday's game was boring. England haven't progressed at all. Youngs is so slow and box kicks - for no apparent purpose - every time.  JVP showed what can be done when a nine looks for the gaps. 

England strung 14 passes in the dying minute as they realised victory was slipping from their grasp - More I believe than in the preceding 79 minutes. It is ok for commentators to try and sell the services of Manu in the centres but he needs to get the ball in space and England just don't create than kind of chance.  Farrell offers nothing, Cokanasiga and Nowell have to come in field to look for the ball - but then find props in the line who think they are backs and it just gets messy. 
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Red Roses showing the way, no interest in the mens game.
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A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr
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EOH - are you sure you are not John Inverdale.
The one thing that will wind John up is scrum resets.

As JI has had no influence in 15 years, I really do not know how we solve it.
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O'Gara is the man for the job . .  the RFU will only do something about EJ if beer sales go down at Twickenham!!!!
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Originally posted by Even Older Hooker Even Older Hooker wrote:

A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game. 
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

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A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game. 
Given the risible nature of the RL scrum, I’m not sure this is the best analogy, although there is something to be said for some kind of time limit. The problem seems to lie with identifying which side is responsible for delays/resets and penalising accordingly. Resets appear to be much less frequent in the women’s game, suggesting a greater willingness to get on with the game rather than seeing the scrum as little more than a source of penalties. I’m not sure what the answer is. 
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Maybe if the outcome of a scrum infringement was a differential penalty then maybe we wouldn't have to sit there watching re-sets and goal kicking practice all afternoon rather than some decent rugby. Nobody is ever sure who's infringed and who hasn't so seems a fairer way of dealing with it
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Even Older Hooker Even Older Hooker wrote:

A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game. 
Given the risible nature of the RL scrum, I’m not sure this is the best analogy, although there is something to be said for some kind of time limit. The problem seems to lie with identifying which side is responsible for delays/resets and penalising accordingly. Resets appear to be much less frequent in the women’s game, suggesting a greater willingness to get on with the game rather than seeing the scrum as little more than a source of penalties. I’m not sure what the answer is. 

I mention it because their is a lesson to be had - give players 30 seconds to come together - stop the slow walk to a scrum, the messing about before packing down etc and get the scrum down and then the ball in (straight) and use the scrum as a way to restart the game rather than it *be* the game. 

If a scrum needs resetting, then the clock stops.  If the props congratulate themselves for winning the scrum, then send them to the Tower. You don't see centres celebrate when they catch a pass - so why have we got to the state that the props think messing up - not winning a scrum deserves to be treated on the same level as being told they have won the lottery?

I agree on the women's game. They just get on with it without the 'macho' approach that is seen in the men's game. 
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England's defeat by Argentina was partly caused by preparation being too focussed on next year's Rugby World Cup, coach Eddie Jones has admitted.

"We have been looking at a number of long-term strategies that we are trying to employ to get set for the World Cup, and maybe our focus wasn't tight enough on Argentina," said Jones.

"That is entirely my fault."

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Jones insisted that England need to develop their game and diversify tactics if they want to go one better than their final defeat by South Africa in 2019.

"There are a cluster of teams at the top of world rugby. We want to break that cluster and to do that we have to have a number of different ways to play the game," he added.

"This next 11 months is to get enough equipment in our armoury to play any way.

"England rugby is traditionally about power rugby, winning the set piece, smashing down the gainline, but we have to learn from the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

"In the final we came up against a side that had more power than us and we were unable to beat them at that game.

"We have continually had at the back of our heads [thoughts] about developing a different strategy of play, which involves more subtlety and some more ball movement to disrupt the defence."

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But Jones said that Smith and Farrell's partnership was the best long-term look for England's attack.

"We have another 12 games to the World Cup. If they are able to play 16 games together they will have a good understanding and start to read each other a bit more," he said.

"The opportunities we missed were small cohesion problems that [improve by] playing together."

 
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England's defeat by Argentina was partly caused by preparation being too focussed on next year's Rugby World Cup, coach Eddie Jones has admitted.

"We have been looking at a number of long-term strategies that we are trying to employ to get set for the World Cup, and maybe our focus wasn't tight enough on Argentina," said Jones.

"That is entirely my fault."

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Jones insisted that England need to develop their game and diversify tactics if they want to go one better than their final defeat by South Africa in 2019.

"There are a cluster of teams at the top of world rugby. We want to break that cluster and to do that we have to have a number of different ways to play the game," he added.

"This next 11 months is to get enough equipment in our armoury to play any way.

"England rugby is traditionally about power rugby, winning the set piece, smashing down the gainline, but we have to learn from the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

"In the final we came up against a side that had more power than us and we were unable to beat them at that game.

"We have continually had at the back of our heads [thoughts] about developing a different strategy of play, which involves more subtlety and some more ball movement to disrupt the defence."

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But Jones said that Smith and Farrell's partnership was the best long-term look for England's attack.

"We have another 12 games to the World Cup. If they are able to play 16 games together they will have a good understanding and start to read each other a bit more," he said.

"The opportunities we missed were small cohesion problems that [improve by] playing together."

 


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Total cobblers.
Here’s a strategy he might want to try, a bit off the wall, but how about playing players in their correct positions.
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I see Eddie Jones has now appointed Brett Hodgson as new defence coach. This gentleman was recently sacked by Hull FC (super league head coach) after hi team finished 9th in the league. What could possibly go wrong?
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