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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 12:13
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

BBC reporting that Ashley has served an eviction notice on Coventry City:

What is Ashley hoping to achieve? Higher rents from a renegotiated deal with Coventry City?

Otherwise is he looking at an empty stadium? 
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Distribution hub?
Housing?
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

BBC reporting that Ashley has served an eviction notice on Coventry City:

What is Ashley hoping to achieve? ....

Aiming to be even more unpopular with Coventry supporters than he was with Newcastle fans?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 16:12
Coventry City fans are well used to this kind of scheiss. Just another day in the life tbf.
I can only imagine Fraser's Group are trying to back Sisu into a corner and get the club, as well as the stadium, on the cheap.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 16:35
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Distribution hub?
Housing?
Their new hq/warehousing is at Ansty aerodrome (just outside Cov, so the first suggestion is highly unlikely.
On the second point, the underlying contamination there would be horrendously expensive to clean up. They were able to do a minimal job for the stadium, but the requirements for housing are very different.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 18:05
Wasps' spurious assertion of 'no fault' has apparently been thrown out, and their removal from the Prem is therefore confirmed.
However, it's still not clear what their trajectory is as yet as they have to install new ownership within the next week to allow them to play in the Championship. Wonder if that'll be Ashley?

P share debacle still to be resolved too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 18:34
While the whole mechanism is a disgrace
Wasps RFC signed the articles of association.
Therefore, surely they are bound by them.


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You would think, but...

Old school tie(s).
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RFU rejects clubs' appeals over Premiership relegation

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Worcester Warriors and Wasps have both had their appeals against relegation from the Premiership dismissed by the Rugby Football Union.

Under RFU regulation 5, both clubs made 'no fault insolvency' applications citing the Covid pandemic as the main reason for going into administration and being suspended from the top tier.

But the RFU's club financial viability group rejected both applications.

Those decisions have been further ratified by the RFU board.

Both clubs now have the right of appeal to an independent panel, but have also been reminded that the timeline to agree sales of the clubs is 12 December, to allow the Premiership and its 11 remaining member clubs sufficient time to plan for the 2023-24 season.

The RFU has confirmed that if the expected sales of Wasps and Worcester take place within the timeline, and rugby creditors are paid, then both clubs will begin the 2023-24 season in the Championship.

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Wasps plan 'lacked resilience'

RFU chief executive Bill Sweeney said: "We are all deeply concerned by the insolvency of Worcester Warriors and Wasps.

"We appreciate this decision will be disappointing for the clubs and their fans, but it's clear from the club financial viability group's investigation that there were factors beyond Covid that resulted in the clubs entering insolvency.

"This has reinforced the need for greater financial transparency between clubs, Premiership Rugby and the RFU to enable both organisations to have better visibility of how these businesses are run."

The report highlighted that Wasps had shown "insufficient evidence" that there had been no fault on the part of the club or the directors or that "the financial impact of Covid was the sole reason of WHL's entry into administration".

It also said that the club's business plan "ultimately lacked resilience and could not transform what was a loss-making and debt-funded business (specifically via the retail bond issued in April 2015) into a sustainable and self-serving operation."

"The business model clearly never managed to reach the level it was intended to via the cash generation envisaged by the subsidiaries controlling the CBS Arena," it added.

"But equally the operation was immeasurably vulnerable to the lack of ability to refinance the bond, which ultimately was a key event that precipitated WHL's entry into administration."
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Surprisingly, on a day when England sacked a high-profile coach after 7 years, 9 months before a World Cup, the Wasps/Wuss development has earned a bit of national media coverage. See below from Telegraph

RFU rejects Wasps and Worcester pleas to be spared from relegation
RFU found ‘insufficient evidence’ Covid was primary cause of financial issues resulting in clubs going into administration

By Ben Rumsby - 6 December 2022 • 5:09pm

The Rugby Football Union has rejected applications from Wasps and Worcester Warriors not to impose automatic relegation on them for entering administration.

The RFU announced its board had ratified a recommendation from its Club Financial Viability Group that its so-called ‘no fault insolvency’ clause should not apply to the demise of the two clubs, who were thrown out of the Gallagher Premiership in October.

The administrators for both teams made applications – in hope rather than expectation – for them to be spared relegation to the Championship, citing the impact of the coronavirus crisis as the primary reason for them becoming insolvent.

But the RFU found Wasps’ administrators provided “insufficient evidence” and those for Worcester had not established “on the balance of probabilities” that there had been no fault on the part of the clubs or their directors.

Stating it had not been provided with correspondence between either team and HM Revenue & Customs “despite several requests”, the governing body added in the case of both clubs: “While there may be possibility that the insolvency events may not have happened were it not for the Covid pandemic, that is not the same as to say there was no fault by the club.

“The directors of the club had allowed the club to be in such a precarious position that a shock such as Covid, the challenging debt markets or another external event would have created a real and increased likelihood of an insolvency event happening.”

Bill Sweeney, RFU chief executive, said: “We are all deeply concerned by the insolvency of Worcester Warriors and Wasps rugby clubs. We appreciate this decision will be disappointing for the clubs and their fans but it’s clear from the Club Financial Viability Group’s investigation that there were factors beyond Covid that resulted in the clubs entering insolvency. This has reinforced the need for greater financial transparency between clubs, Premiership Rugby and the RFU to enable both organisations to have better visibility of how these businesses are run.

“We are already working on plans with Premiership Rugby to explore how to improve the structure, governance and business model of rugby union in England and support the clubs in becoming more sustainable. We are pleased that both clubs’ women’s teams have been able to continue and that the academy pathway in the midlands continues to give opportunities to young players.”

Both clubs have the right of appeal to an independent panel but Telegraph Sport has been told neither plan to contest the RFU decision.

Wasps and Worcester’s prospective new owners have been progressing with their rescue bids on the basis they will start next season in the Championship.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 20:41
The Telegraph doesn't mention the Dec 12 (ie next Monday) deadline for the sale of each club to be complete if they wish to take a place in Champ next Sept. According to this Sky Sports article, the deadline stands...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 20:43
They will only be in the Championship if they pay all their rugby debts and continue to play at the same ground. 

I am not sure how Wasps could do that.

I am not convinced Worcester are going to manage.

Apparently, at least according to the Worcester fans - everything needs to be in place by 12th December. Which is also the end of extended exclusivity period for the preferred bidders.

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I suspect you are correct, I cant see either Worcester or Wasps in the Championship next season.

Moving on, how do the RFU/ Premiership get to their 10 team Premiership for 2023? Although a couple of Clubs seem to be in financial stress, I cant see anybody voluntering to drop to the Championship. Equally, I cant see Ealing not taking legal action, if they are denied promotion.

All I can see are more legal battles and costs for the RFU.

Lower down the pyramid, many community clubs are facing increasing difficulties. Certainly here in Yorks, clubs who recently fielded four sides are now only fielding a 1 st XV. Revenue is dropping, whilst costs are increasing significantly. Otley, who are doing well on the pitch, have managed to sell their ground but there is no sign of a by pass, which would allow them to build a new ground, if they had any money remaining!

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 13:01
No mention of either club being required to play at its existing home to be eligible to play in the Championship - what do you think Camquin? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rugbychris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 13:03
Investors aren't going to pile money into anything sports related unless it has an asset. You can make money from an asset (stadium. Car park. Training facilities etc). You can't make anything from a rugby team as the game doesn't seem to have eye watering transfer fees.

So do Worcester still have any assets? They could still spend a year in the champ, win it and then retain their P shares.

I cant see how Wasps survive this. No stadium. No assets. No playing squad. They will have to join up with their Amateurs if their is any relationship left.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 13:22
We all know they should be starting again at the bottom of the pyramid like the rest of us would have to do if we suffered the same fate. I could just about stomach "Jollying up" with the amateur club as it gets them a few rungs up the ladder but Championship - definitely not! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 14:34
I say Regulation 5 Appendix 2
Quote The RFU’s Primary Considerations
The primary considerations for the RFU if the Club wishes to transfer its membership and league position to a Phoenix Entity are:
• Will the Phoenix Entity be able to play at its current ground next season and beyond?
• Does the Phoenix Entity have sufficient financial backing to operate in its current league (and any other league specified by the RFU) for the following season and beyond?
• Will all the outstanding Rugby Creditors of the insolvent Club be paid?
• Are any new ownership arrangements for the Phoenix Entity suitable and will the new owners and management of the new entity be satisfactory to the RFU?
• The circumstances of each Insolvency Event are likely to be different, and therefore the RFU may take any other matters into consideration it sees fit.

So the first requirement is to take over the ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 14:38
Rules is rules but where does it state all the answers to those questions have to be "Yes"? 

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