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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 17:43
Not so much an irony but totally in contravention of the RFU requirements to play at your existing ground to avoid being placed at the bottom of the pyramid 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2023 at 15:45
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Not so much an irony but totally in contravention of the RFU requirements to play at your existing ground to avoid being placed at the bottom of the pyramid 

But as we all know regulations only apply to certain clubs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2023 at 22:09
Coventry Wasps: "Rules for thee, but not for (former) Premiership me"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SK 88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 2023 at 13:06
Do people think:
1) This deadline is a real one?
2) That both, either or neither Wasps and Worcester will meet it?

Worcester appear to have met the criteria but are refusing to follow the additional requirements of the regulations around the RFU having observer status at board meetings and the like.  They don't appear to have any leverage to me, the RFU sanction all rugby in England, so unless they are planning on a switch to League they will have to agree to their conditions.

Wasps it's all gone quite. Nothing announced, no reaction to the deadline, no rumours since December.  Just a confirmation from the RFU that they are yet to meet the obligations needed to return and have at time of writing 10 days to do it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2023 at 12:25
Originally posted by SK 88 SK 88 wrote:

Do people think:
1) This deadline is a real one?
2) That both, either or neither Wasps and Worcester will meet it?

Worcester appear to have met the criteria but are refusing to follow the additional requirements of the regulations around the RFU having observer status at board meetings and the like.  They don't appear to have any leverage to me, the RFU sanction all rugby in England, so unless they are planning on a switch to League they will have to agree to their conditions.

Wasps it's all gone quite. Nothing announced, no reaction to the deadline, no rumours since December.  Just a confirmation from the RFU that they are yet to meet the obligations needed to return and have at time of writing 10 days to do it.

1) No
2) Irrelevant as both will be in the Championship next season whatever.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2023 at 13:19
Not sure why the deadline is 14th as Council meets on 13th and is due to make a Press release on 15th confirming the numbers for next season. Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s final! 

I don’t see either Wasps or Worcester being able to meet that deadline from what they have said publicly but I suspect a lot is going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. My money is on Wasps meeting the deadline provided they have somewhere to play and Worcester not meeting it.
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Worcester Warriors sale in spotlight over administrator’s email to witness

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The impartiality of Worcester Warriors’ sale process has been called into question after the administrators were accused of pressuring a witness ahead of a parliamentary select committee.

A partner at DCMS–appointed administrators Begbies Traynor warned the witness that they could be sued for defamation if they repeated allegations about preferred bidder Jim O’Toole’s Atlas consortium while giving evidence at the hearing. 

The witness told friends they felt intimidated and offended by the warning from regional managing partner Julie Palmer, which was made by email the day before the hearing in November and raises questions about possible favouritism towards Atlas.

The administrators last week exchanged contracts with Atlas despite the Rugby Football Union (RFU) refusing to approve the sale of the former Premiership rugby club to former Worcester chief executive O’Toole’s group until the group made certain pledges.

A complaint relating to the matter was made to Damien Green MP – the acting chair of the DCMS Select Committee – whose office said they could not investigate because the complaint was raised by a third party and not the witness.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 23:35
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Worcester Warriors sale in spotlight over administrator’s email to witness

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The impartiality of Worcester Warriors’ sale process has been called into question after the administrators were accused of pressuring a witness ahead of a parliamentary select committee.

A partner at DCMS–appointed administrators Begbies Traynor warned the witness that they could be sued for defamation if they repeated allegations about preferred bidder Jim O’Toole’s Atlas consortium while giving evidence at the hearing. 

The witness told friends they felt intimidated and offended by the warning from regional managing partner Julie Palmer, which was made by email the day before the hearing in November and raises questions about possible favouritism towards Atlas.

The administrators last week exchanged contracts with Atlas despite the Rugby Football Union (RFU) refusing to approve the sale of the former Premiership rugby club to former Worcester chief executive O’Toole’s group until the group made certain pledges.

A complaint relating to the matter was made to Damien Green MP – the acting chair of the DCMS Select Committee – whose office said they could not investigate because the complaint was raised by a third party and not the witness.

The threat's claim is not even true, if you're giving evidence in a Parliamentary select committee hearing, anything you say is protected by Parliamentary Privilege so you can say what you want with no legal repercussions. Ian Hislop does it often. 

https://guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/articles/Mk9xrfWe/privilege-confidentiality-and-foi-for-select-committees
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 04:10
If youurd advised by a professional that they could be sued then you're likely to believe the professional. Was the witness advised of privilige this by DVMS chairman?

If the allegation is true, it puts the professional future of the partner into question, allegedly. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 08:36
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

If youurd advised by a professional that they could be sued then you're likely to believe the professional. Was the witness advised of privilige this by DVMS chairman?

If the allegation is true, it puts the professional future of the partner into question, allegedly. 

Exactly, it's still (prima facie) blackmail regardless.
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Breaking news.

Worcester Warriors will not play in the Championship next season.

Also they will become Sixways Rugby

Source - BBC Sport website
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:12
More on the above via Times rugby writer... (pasted for speed in wrong-size font Big smile)

Breaking: Worcester Warriors is no more. The Atlas consortium will not play in the Championship, but will take over National 2 side Stourbridge, and rebrand as "Sixways Rugby" from next season. Hmm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Gold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:12
Got to feel sorry for the fans. Dreadful to rename the club like that. 
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Never mind the ones that have suffered a name change, the fans at Stourbridge seem to have lost a club?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:27
I wonder if a massive player influx can safe Stour from the drop
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:29
Stourbridge are only Nat 2 for now. Will they avoid the drop? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Gold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:30
Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

Never mind the ones that have suffered a name change, the fans at Stourbridge seem to have lost a club?

That’s what I meant. Sixways won’t be very full on match days I’d wager. 

Poor show all round. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote donnyladinsheffield Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:31
So maybe not end of Stourbridge. Unless I am missing something obvious 2 into 1 does not go. If Sixways rugby is investing in Stourbridge at Stourton Park what is happening at Sixways?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:34
Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

So maybe not end of Stourbridge. Unless I am missing something obvious 2 into 1 does not go. If Sixways rugby is investing in Stourbridge at Stourton Park what is happening at Sixways?
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