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    Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 12:12
I read this morning that it's looking increasingly like that Wasps will take over playing at Sixways and that Stourbridge/Warriors will merge into a new entity 'Sixways Rugby' 

Following this on the Stour fb page - 

Proposal for Commercial Investment in Stourbridge RFC Player Development & Infrastructure.

You will no doubt be aware that the current season has proved to be difficult for all senior playing sections of the club. From Colts through to our senior men’s and ladies' teams we have regrettably had to cancel fixtures due to being unable to field a full side, which is unprecedented at our club.

Notwithstanding the difficulties faced in senior Rugby, we have some bright spots on the near horizon including the reintegration of the Lions, the May Corporate Lunch (with a trio of excellent speakers), and our Stour Music Fest.  In addition, our Mini and Juniors continue to flourish and prosper through a dedicated team of volunteers, with many of our M&Js and Girls players stepping up to play at the representative level.  

Our commercial off-field endeavours continue at a pace and we have a sound financial footing that exceeds our expectations, the club is, financially, in a very good place (Financial General Meeting coming shortly).  This is despite the current economic difficulties.

We can all agree that we have one of the best rugby facilities in the West Midlands conurbation.  However, the difficulty we face is that we have not always historically benefited from a flow of young players into the club. 

Few of the secondary schools that surround us play rugby as their primary sport, or indeed at all. Although Old Swinford is a rugby and cricket school, many of their ‘elite’ rugby players circumnavigate Stourbridge and have opted for alternative Premiership Academies. Overall, community rugby has suffered nationally post-pandemic, and, with the odd exception, player numbers are down across the country.  

It is our strong belief that to build rugby back better and stronger post-pandemic, it is essential to focus on community rugby development and building cohesive and long-standing partnerships with all in the rugby community.

Our First XV has always exceeded expectations and has sat comfortably in the top 4 levels of the National Leagues for over 20 years. However, this season following league re-organization and continuing to deal with the fallout of the pandemic, following a top-four finish last year, we now sit at the bottom of National Two South West, 13 points adrift. 

We have, as a club, been dramatically affected by the demise of the fully professional senior teams in the region, Wasps and Warriors.  Previously, we had a long-term symbiotic relationship with them both which last year alone resulted in ten players (Alfie Bell, Tobi Wilson, Noel Heward, Finn Thomas, Greg Fisilau, Tom Bacon, Kofi Cripps, Pietro Turrisi, Emanual Feyi-Waboso, Seb Atkinson) playing regularly in Stourbridge colours.  Unfortunately, these players are now no longer available, and the majority are all now playing at either Championship or Premiership level for other clubs.

We have also had an unprecedented injury crisis with both our fly halves breaking their legs in the first 5 weeks of the season and a myriad of injuries followed during the winter months.   A similar story can be told with the Panthers whose numbers have been depleted mainly through injury since their promotion last season. 

The Colts have struggled at times despite the best efforts of a dedicated management and coaching team, with some players having played a full school game the previous day. 

The Lions, who (pending RFU approval) will become a fully integrated part of the main club next season have also suffered with player numbers. Despite a resurgence and some former players coming back into the fold to add to their core player base, they have struggled to mount a competitive campaign. This has not been helped by our collective struggle for player recruitment at all levels.

In December 2022 our director of rugby Neil Mitchell reached out to Leigh Hinton, now one of the lead rugby agents in the UK. Neil was Leigh's mentor in his Moseley playing days and he sought his advice to try and recruit players in the areas where we were depleted. 

During the interchange, Leigh put Neil in touch with James Sandford who is part of the Atlas Group and now owns Sixways. Both James and Jim O’Toole, a former Director of both Warriors and London Irish, kindly advised Neil as to various players who may be available, and they began engaging in a wider dialogue regarding our playing infrastructure and current player deficiencies. 

These discussions have been ongoing and following the successful appointment of Atlas Group as the new owners of Sixways both respective Committees’ representatives have met with a view to Atlas supporting Stourbridge Rugby Club commercially not only at the First XV level but throughout the player membership with Stourbridge remaining firmly a member’s owned club.

It is our view that following an open forum with our members, a formal agreement can be established to secure Stourbridge Rugby Clubs' long-term future, from the M&J’s through to the First XV.

Atlas Group is proposing a long-term investment into our playing infrastructure to enable our teams to play competitively at all levels, to grow our club to becoming a Championship Level Club (and beyond) to provide a pathway to senior competitive rugby for all, to provide additional player support for players to cascade at all levels in the men’s and women’s game. 
 
This investment will look to provide additional coaching at all levels, assist in strengthening our volunteer coaches, and grow the community-centered game which is the heartbeat of rugby in this country.   

We believe that this investment ensures the longevity of rugby at Stourton Park for generations to come. We will be holding a Special General Meeting shortly to present the proposal to our membership, however, an informal meeting will be held at Stourton Park at 7pm on Friday the 10th of February 2023, to answer any questions our members may have, as the timings to advance this potential arrangement is time crucial, which we will elaborate on in more detail.  Please note, given the significance of this proposed investment into our Club, this will attract significant national interest.

May I take this opportunity to assure the membership that the proposals being put forward can only be agreed upon following the full consultation and consent of Stourbridge Rugby Club membership at a proposed SGM where full proposals and outlines will be provided with adequate time for the club to fully consider the proposals.

This is an unprecedented opportunity to put SRFC firmly on the map as a leader in rugby development in the Midlands for the foreseeable future and I hope that you will be as enthusiastic as we are in the potential of embarking on a journey that will secure rugby for many generations to come at Stourton Park.

Richard Baron
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Stourbridge Rugby Football Club


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Can’t see the members passing this at SGM
It will no longer be Stourbridge rugby club
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 13:42
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Can’t see the members passing this at SGM
It will no longer be Stourbridge rugby club

I suspect all Worcester/Atlas want in a Level 4/5 start rather than Level 12

It's a sad day if this does go ahead facilitated by the bad managemt of Warriors

Are we too cynical on this Forum or are we just those who love rugby in all its guises?
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What a mess. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sedgley dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 14:34
What an admission to have to make, that the club's success (which is undeniable) has been largely due to the scraps fed from the Premiership table, or a symbiotic relationship, whichever metaphor you prefer.

Well, Hull did it, following the merger which led to Hull Ionians. The leftovers rose from the ashes(!)

This is such a despairing statement by President Baron, 'schools don't play, players circumvent us, etc.' I would have thought a pleasant country location, near a huge conurbation and lots of smaller towns, is precisely the sort of area where a level 3 or 4 club could thrive.
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According to Jim O Toole the new Sixways team will play from Sixways stadium leaving Stourbridge Lions at Stourton Park. So yes , essentially they are just buying their place instead of starting at level 10. Also commented that Stourbridges remaining games this season will also be played in Worcester. Still, it's all down to the member vote. 

I'd imagine Stourton Park turning into a new build housing estate within 5 years if this goes through. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ste Vo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 14:35
It arguably has thrived for several decades. Wonder what's changed? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ste Vo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 14:36
Can you see Stour's membership voting for this? 

Unless there are details not yet in the public domain.....turkey. Christmas. 
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They may be hidden in plain sight.
The RFU have a floating charge over Stourton Park, taken out in 2018 presumably for the new 3g pitch.



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[QUOTE=sedgley dave
Well, Hull did it, following the merger which led to Hull Ionians. The leftovers rose from the ashes(!)


Sedgley Dave,
Could you explain that comment please.
While you are doing so could you please remember that Hull Ionians RUFC and Hull RUFC are completely different Clubs who are both the result of completely different mergers.
Thank you.


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You are lost in a maze of twisty mergers and eaten by a grue.
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My understanding was that the old Hull & East Riding club merged with junior old boys' club Ionians, and moved out of the city. Meanwhile those left behind soldiered on, rose through the leagues, and eventually caught up with Ionians.

If that is incorrect, I apologise to all concerned.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 17:01
Originally posted by sedgley dave sedgley dave wrote:

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My understanding was that the old Hull & East Riding club merged with junior old boys' club Ionians, and moved out of the city. Meanwhile those left behind soldiered on, rose through the leagues, and eventually caught up with Ionians.

If that is incorrect, I apologise to all concerned.


The original Hull and East Riding merged with Ionians to form Hull Ionians. However some of the Hull and ER members didn't agree with the merger, reformed the club and later merged with Hymerians to form the present Hull RUFC. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 17:41
Yes, but I believe Ionians was a splinter and Hull and ER was a merger - and the original club plays 13 man rugby.
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Richard is correct. Coming from Hull, Hull&ER vacated the circle to move to Ionians ground in the West of Hull. The Council then built Hull Citys new stadium on the Cirle land. Hull CC also played there.
Old Hymerians were a total seperate club and, as said, reformed to make HULL RUFC.
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Anyway, back on topic, Stourbridge need to play Leicester, Dings and Redruth.
The transfer deadline is the 17th.
Unless they go for expedited registration forms need to be in seven days before registration.
Stourbridge will not hold their SGM until Friday.
I cannot se how Atlas can bring in enough players in time.
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Perhaps the new Atlas Warriors Stourbride merger will be happy at level 5 next season, and its in their plan
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Probably enough "Free agents" after the Worcs/Wasps debacle who could be signed (presumably at a premium rate) thus Transfer deadline irrelevant. I can't believe it's in the Atlas plan to drop to Level 5 - just adds another year to the "project" 
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Have Worcester got any players left to push into Stourbridge?

As said the transfer deadline is 17th Feb which gives them 9 days to find and persuade (pay over the odds).

Banish Worcester to the bottom of the pyramid where they belong.

If this goes through Wasps might buy Coventry to avoid starting at the bottom
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Probably enough "Free agents" after the Worcs/Wasps debacle who could be signed (presumably at a premium rate) thus Transfer deadline irrelevant. I can't believe it's in the Atlas plan to drop to Level 5 - just adds another year to the "project" 

It’s better than any alternative open to them. 

Championship but run indefinitely by the RFU? Invest in Worcester RFC at level 6. Start again at level 10. Or, Stourbridge option at level 4, probably 5. 


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