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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Nope as above, draw on Wednesday, fixtures out then I would think especially if you need to book a Bus or organise a sponsor which clearly RFU Competitions think you can do in five minutes.

I'm told there is some "Travel Funding" available for long distance trips, not sure what the criteria is and how much the magic RFU money tree will provide.

Think one or two in Regional South East maybe sweating or indeed looking forward to being drawn away at Camborne and vice versa. Likewise some clubs in South Cheshire might be less than please with a North East trip .....  and vice versa in the Counties draw. Wonder if they will "manage" the draw and try to keep distances short in the early rounds. 

As Regional 1 South East ends this Saturday, with a couple of catch ups, 18tn March, then Wednesday (15th?) is after most of the league ends.

Madness sees one match scheduled in Midlands 1, 1st April.

Could anyone make up such a mess?



And with further postponements likely this weekend there will be other games on 1st April and maybe Kenilworth having a game the following week as well!
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Given that there are four competitions (Championship, Plate, Shield & Bowl) at L5, and three each at L6-9, I make that 16 finals to take place.  In which case there will have to be a number of 'prestigious' venues, hopefully spread around the country.
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Just been told the prestigious venue is......

Ealing.... and I'm not kidding.
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

[QUOTE=PiffPaff]Nope as above, draw on Wednesday, fixtures out then I would think especially if you need to book a Bus or organise a sponsor which clearly RFU Competitions think you can do in five minutes.

I'm told there is some "Travel Funding" available for long distance trips, not sure what the criteria is and how much the magic RFU money tree will provide.

Think one or two in Regional South East maybe sweating or indeed looking forward to being drawn away at Camborne and vice versa. Likewise some clubs in South Cheshire might be less than please with a North East trip .....  and vice versa in the Counties draw. Wonder if they will "manage" the draw and try to keep distances short in the early rounds. 




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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Nope as above, draw on Wednesday, fixtures out then I would think especially if you need to book a Bus or organise a sponsor which clearly RFU Competitions think you can do in five minutes.

I'm told there is some "Travel Funding" available for long distance trips, not sure what the criteria is and how much the magic RFU money tree will provide.

Think one or two in Regional South East maybe sweating or indeed looking forward to being drawn away at Camborne and vice versa. Likewise some clubs in South Cheshire might be less than please with a North East trip .....  and vice versa in the Counties draw. Wonder if they will "manage" the draw and try to keep distances short in the early rounds. 

As Regional 1 South East ends this Saturday, with a couple of catch ups, 18tn March, then Wednesday (15th?) is after most of the league ends.

Madness sees one match scheduled in Midlands 1, 1st April.

Could anyone make up such a mess?



Yep, that'll be our (Kenilworth's) rearranged fixture at home to Lichfield. Which could still affect vital league positions.
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Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

I’ve been sent this which is apparently the latest update from RFU.
Finals still at Twickenham.

“ As far as possible, all 1st XVs who finish top of their leagues at Regional 1 and 2, Counties 1, 2 and 3 & below will qualify for their Championship, and the potential to play in the final at Twickenham. The final of the Regional 1 Championship will be played on Sunday 30th April and the other Championship Finals on Sunday 7th May.   All other Cup finals will be played on the weekend of 6th/7th May.

In the case of the matches scheduled for the weekend of 6th/7th May it is accepted that the overlap with the County Championship programme is unavoidable given the impact of postponed matches on the club league programme. National League fixtures will be managed as normal, with the intention of finishing the league season by the scheduled date. Please refer to your league secretary for further guidance.”


Will games be held 6th May? Coronation Day, or just 7th May?
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Nope as above, draw on Wednesday, fixtures out then I would think especially if you need to book a Bus or organise a sponsor which clearly RFU Competitions think you can do in five minutes.

I'm told there is some "Travel Funding" available for long distance trips, not sure what the criteria is and how much the magic RFU money tree will provide.

Think one or two in Regional South East maybe sweating or indeed looking forward to being drawn away at Camborne and vice versa. Likewise some clubs in South Cheshire might be less than please with a North East trip .....  and vice versa in the Counties draw. Wonder if they will "manage" the draw and try to keep distances short in the early rounds. 

As Regional 1 South East ends this Saturday, with a couple of catch ups, 18tn March, then Wednesday (15th?) is after most of the league ends.

Madness sees one match scheduled in Midlands 1, 1st April.

Could anyone make up such a mess?




Edited by kempstonblue - 09 Mar 2023 at 15:02
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I’ve been sent this which is apparently the latest update from RFU.
Finals still at Twickenham.

“ As far as possible, all 1st XVs who finish top of their leagues at Regional 1 and 2, Counties 1, 2 and 3 & below will qualify for their Championship, and the potential to play in the final at Twickenham. The final of the Regional 1 Championship will be played on Sunday 30th April and the other Championship Finals on Sunday 7th May.   All other Cup finals will be played on the weekend of 6th/7th May.

In the case of the matches scheduled for the weekend of 6th/7th May it is accepted that the overlap with the County Championship programme is unavoidable given the impact of postponed matches on the club league programme. National League fixtures will be managed as normal, with the intention of finishing the league season by the scheduled date. Please refer to your league secretary for further guidance.”
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A remember looking at the numbers in the original Adult Game Review - way back in 2016.
In that plan, there were cups for everyone. The support looked generous, until you factored in travel costs.

The winning team could just about afford to buy the team a beer, and twenty straws.  The runner-up was going to be out of pocket.

And yet, it would cost the RFU millions. Because a small amount of money to lots of sides soon adds up. And as soon as teams start needing overnight stays, the costs mount.

I believe the same was true in the last days of the old cup. I recall Cambridge's treasurer saying at the time that our cup run - including losing away at Old Deer Park - cost us money.


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Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Is it right that the final day at twickers is on the Coronation weekend? That would a transport and accommodation nightmare 🤔
The Regional 1 Championship (top tier) final is on 30th April, and all other finals will be on 7th May Ermm
The RFU never mentioned Twickenham - the original document only talks about the competitions "culminating in ‘Community Game Finals’ to celebrate community rugby at prestigious locations."
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Is it right that the final day at twickers is on the Coronation weekend? That would a transport and accommodation nightmare 🤔
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Nope as above, draw on Wednesday, fixtures out then I would think especially if you need to book a Bus or organise a sponsor which clearly RFU Competitions think you can do in five minutes.

I'm told there is some "Travel Funding" available for long distance trips, not sure what the criteria is and how much the magic RFU money tree will provide.

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I assume until the leagues conclude we won’t know the fixtures?
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Wednesday

Regional Cups - starting 25th March

Counties Cups - starting 1st April (no joke)
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Given the draw is going to be next week, any ideas as to when?
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Or am I being too sensible again.
Yes, you are! The lowest level competition at Regional 1 (the Bowl) features 'remaining teams, 9th-12 place, max 24 teams'. Despite this, the first round is marked 'Last 32'.
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So presumably two level 6 sides go up to level 5 to make 64
So 24 level 7 sides fill in level 6 to make 128
leaving 97 + 86 = 183 = 128 + 57 or three groups of 64 with 7 byes in the first round.

Or am I being too sensible again.

What do 2nd Xvs do for the rest of the season?
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Level 5 62 of 72 entered
Level 6  106 of 144 entered
Level 7  121 of 217 entered
Level 8 86 of 312 entered
Level 9 and below around 60% entry

need to point out that at Level 8 there a lot of Lower XVs who are not eligible to enter


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