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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 09:05
What were people expecting, England to suddenly concertina closer together for spring?
It is no wonder some of the more remote clubs pulled out.
I think it is the top seven from Regional 1 South West.

Weston to Brighton is not an easy journey - only 200 miles, but it will take over 4 hours each way.
And there are several others that will take over three hours and involve the M25 past Heathrow on a Saturday, well known for its flowing traffic.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 09:50
This draw only includes the top 10 Clubs in Regional 1 North West.
Is there a further link with more fixtures ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cobbler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 11:12
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Some chunky journeys there - Dudley KW to Alnwick stands out = not much change out of 500 miles! 
Yes it was bad enough for the 2 South Notts clubs (Paviors and West Bridgford) to have to travel there in the league, DK is a fair bit further (but they will almost certainly be travelling to Redruth next season so good practice!).

I have heard Bournemouth have pulled out not fancying the short hop to Burton. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 11:24
We have 56 of the 72 teams,
I assume that the other 16 have chosen not to enter, due mainly to the distances involved.
Originally, 62 were said to have entered, so another six have pulled out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 11:31
Apparently the other Draws are now being made on Monday
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 13:26
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

We have 56 of the 72 teams,
I assume that the other 16 have chosen not to enter, due mainly to the distances involved.
Originally, 62 were said to have entered, so another six have pulled out.

What I see most teams are playing teams from a neighbouring region. Yes some travel, but clubs have a choice, which I guess is a part of player welfare?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 13:35
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

We have 56 of the 72 teams,
I assume that the other 16 have chosen not to enter, due mainly to the distances involved.
Originally, 62 were said to have entered, so another six have pulled out.

What I see most teams are playing teams from a neighbouring region. Yes some travel, but clubs have a choice, which I guess is a part of player welfare?

Well regionalisation seems sensible but why don’t the RFU set out the parameters for how the draws are being made? How many clubs have been put off entering because they fear an away draw(s)  which would involve a long round trip and a big bill from the coach company even with a subsidy. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 13:41
They split the draw North and South, so Alnwick was not going to be drawn against Camborne.

But the downside of "you are going to play different opponents" is "you are going to trek halfway across the country" or at least outside the region your league covers.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 13:53
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

They split the draw North and South, so Alnwick was not going to be drawn against Camborne.

But the downside of "you are going to play different opponents" is "you are going to trek halfway across the country" or at least outside the region your league covers.



Did they make that information available to the clubs and supporters? I can’t find any mention other than there are pools st the higher level and knock-out games ar level 7 and below 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 14:17
Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

They split the draw North and South, so Alnwick was not going to be drawn against Camborne.

But the downside of "you are going to play different opponents" is "you are going to trek halfway across the country" or at least outside the region your league covers.



Did they make that information available to the clubs and supporters? I can’t find any mention other than there are pools st the higher level and knock-out games ar level 7 and below 

Yes they did. It was in that draft that they put out at the start of the season.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 14:17
Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Did they make that information available to the clubs and supporters? I can’t find any mention other than there are pools st the higher level and knock-out games ar level 7 and below 
I don't think it was explicitly spelt out, but if you looked at the suggested/ indicative draw in the original document it was clear that this was the plan.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 14:46
Much appreciated - as you say not that clear but helpful. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 15:57
I think there may have been and earlier draft that made the explicit. But I could be remembering earlier proposals from the AGR.

As ever, communication by the RFU was its usual standard.

I have not seen - but I am not a treasurer at a club involved - any documentation on travel support, or prize money.

But communication does not hide the fact that in five weeks of competition, you are only guaranteed one home match, and - should you reach the final - could be away for the other four weeks.

Or you could be at home three of the five weeks.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BruceElliott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 16:47
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:


As ever, communication by the RFU was its usual standard.

I have not seen - but I am not a treasurer at a club involved - any documentation on travel support, or prize money.


Don't know if it's current, but from the RFU website - travel support -

https://www.englandrugby.com/participation/playing/papa-john's-community-cup
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BruceElliott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 16:47
Looks like you'll have to cut and paste it because of the apostrophe!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 17:17
Well some support so good for Papa John.
My interest in this subject started when I was looking for Billingham’s draw.
Despite them walking their Regional One league it looks like they haven’t entered,  so presumably financial support not enough for them. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 17:26
So Dudley will get £796 for their trip to Alnwick, including the accommodation supplement.

That would just about pay for ten rooms in the Premier Inn in Alnwick on the Friday night, assuming the lads are prepared to double up. But not include breakfast or dinner.

And, of course, there is the coach on top of that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote secondrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2023 at 22:35
I see that Weston Super Mare, have dropped out, they obviously did not fancy travelling to Brighton and Hertford,  and who can blame them
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 05:52
Hmmmmmm.... how to create chaos - the draws for all the PJCs

The lower end of the competition has something like 70-odd 1st Round Byes which means if your Leagues finished last weekend or this weekend you don't play your first cup game until April 15th.

Oh and the finals venues are StoneX for the South (not Ealing) and Darlington MP in the North


You have to cut and paste the link the ' is a link killer


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 08:43
Papa Johns brand name doesn’t have an apostrophe. The RFU should show more diligence towards its sponsors.
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