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*Stalwart
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No, it's not OK - I was just pointing out that it happens already.
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IainS
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Yes by the criteria used to keep Ealing et al from being promoted due to their ground capacity, all the games would have to be played at the premiership venues because otherwise premiership players and supporters would be put at massive risk by visiting grounds that are clearly not fit to host them.
Or just maybe, the premiership ground criteria are self-serving, protectionist nonsense. Edited by IainS - 26 Apr 2023 at 15:19 |
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Trailfinder
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I’m quietly optimistic about the new cup, the Telegraph article summarises it well I think but getting the execution right is critical if it is to be successful.
Re dual registered players, it’s time this was tightened up/standardised. I have no issue with long term loan arrangements with special dispensation for injury crises but players stepping in and out as suits is not right imo. Richmond have been shafted by Hartpury and now Scottish in recent times. What I suspect will happen next season is that a lot of fringe players will stay with their Prem club for the cup competition and then will be loaned for the Champ league season. This means though that clubs which are completely reliant on these players (Hartpury, Scottish, Bedford) will prob struggle to field a competitive side for the new cup. In my view it is imperative that the Champ clubs are competitive otherwise it will be used as evidence that the gap is too big to traverse.
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tigerburnie
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I have little knowledge of the loans from other clubs, but I have seen dr's from Leicester Tigers at the Lions, indeed even the odd one from Northampton and Coventry too, but these were young lads pretty much straight from the academies and not in contention for matchday squads. Indeed Lions players have been loaned to Tigers on the rare occasion when these type of cup games have been played in the past. Lions had one Tiger cub this season and he has not yet figured for the Tigers at any level as far as I can see, so I don't see any reason to worry about the Lions not being where they are for next season on their own merit. Sure I think we all know there's a gap between the leagues and the step up needs managing, but are there really clubs over reliant on dr's?
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MikeGC
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. As a supporter (ex President and current Secretary) of a Level 5 Club, I can’t answer your question, sorry. We got about £300 travel subsidy for the whole season, funding Edited by MikeGC - 26 Apr 2023 at 11:57 |
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Trailfinder
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I guess my point is that although DR arrangements can work well, it is open to abuse (re my Richmond point above). Some standardisation via long term loan arrangements would be better imo. They can still train with parent clubs (if loan clubs are not full time) but only get to play for their loan clubs.
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Scrumtime
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So Champ and Prem do not start till post World Cup
National 1 and 2 however starts in Sept .. There is no way Prem Clubs will be loaning out players to Nat 1 and Nat 2 clubs I would have thought. Which in turn will devalue the leagues and it will not be a level playing field as post cup comp and world cup, sides will be totally different! Or am i seeing this wrong ? If you look at the Prem cup this year, how many of those players were playing Nat 1 at the same time. Just as an example the Exeter side was full of their younger players on loan at Plymouth, Taunton, CP for the season. Sorry but I do not think this has been thought through! I do not know the exact numbers but I think I read on this site that LS had 11 Quin pups in last weeks, in one form or another in the match day 23. Lets say Quins lose 9 players to the world cup, rest 6 ageing superstars, who could do with an extended summer break, now have to field a cup squad 22 and then give 11 players to another club and that's without the other clubs they loan to, Richmond, Worthing, RP etc, they just don't have a big enough squad. And its no slight on any club, before people start jumping up and down I am using examples! |
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Halliford
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It’s not that long ago that Level 3 was seen as part of the Elite game. It was only at an NCA AGM addressed by Robbie Briers, Chair of the CommunityGame Board, that we discovered we were no longer Elite but Community and so no different in RFU minds to Clubs from Level 5-12.
National 1 has had to fight to keep its status, starting with the infamous St George’s Conference. The Clubs do have a strong measure of consensus and know what we are trying to achieve, recognition as part of the Elite game again would be a god start, then travel funding. We are also united in wanting a minimum of 13 meaningful home matches per season - that doesn’t include Cup matches. At least we have a voice on the RFU Council which has already helped.
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workerbee
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I think you are mistaken if you think the Championship get a free £160k , The insurance cost for each club is £40k, £60k has to be allocated for Medical expenses- On site ambulance, 2 doctors present, fully kitted out Medical room to the RFU specification and Private medical care for injured players. Add to that travelling costs to Jersey, subject to flight times a possible two days in Jersey , approximate cost £14k and it soon used up.
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WEvans
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Don't NL clubs have similar expenses but without a "free £160k"?
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Camquin
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No requirement for an on-site ambulance at Nat 1.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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*Stalwart
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Brilliant!
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corporalcarrot
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Edited by corporalcarrot - 26 Apr 2023 at 19:25 |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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maire23
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Also no trip to the Channel Islands at Nat 1.
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islander
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to be fair to WEvans he did say 'similar expenses', not identical in all respects...
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workerbee
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I think you will find that Nat 1 and below do not pay more than £2 for RFU insurance. The insurance at Championship level is based on all clubs being professional so the insurance of £40k is to cover medical requirements of professional players as it is their employment.
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WEvans
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Guernsey are in the NL that I was talking about!
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WEvans
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So that leaves 120 grand less the cost of an ambulance then! I'm not saying that the Championship is well funded but it far better funded than the NL.
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The Blues
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Now we are 22! How on earth does that work for pools!
We will probably have one of those crazy 11 teams x 2 leagues and then you play 5 games, 2/3 against Prem and 3/2 against Champ and most points go through even though you haven’t played half the teams!
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WEvans
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Might be down to a much more manageable 16 by the time the competition actually starts!
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