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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Obviously I’m biased but no one seems to acknowledge the commitment from Redruth, whose 200 mile round trip to Exeter is their closest away game.

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Far from it. My apologies if you thought I had. After making those trips to and from Cornwall and the South West when Sedge were at Levels 2 and 3, I know just getting out of Cornwall is a big trip.  I would never want to play down the enormous  effort, time and monetary demands on the players and clubs alike, who have to undertake this effort every other week in some cases. Total respect for all and any teams around the country who do this. I feel for them and very much for Lymm. 

My post was more about the fact it’s a regional and National game at different levels and sometimes regrettably within these league structures others have greater mountains to climb. It is and always will be a solution that may never suit all due to the many permutations involved.

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Lymm is closer to Bristol than Redruth is comfortably.
Their travelling is a doddle compared to that which Camborne and Redruth are faced with.
Redruth have always considered the trips to Bristol as an easy day out! Off the pitch that is.


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It is both counter productive and wrong not to assist clubs with travel costs in the National leagues, the game needs the roots sustaining, not just looking after the flowers in the Premiership.
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Tigerburnie, you are preaching to the choir.
We all know this.
But all the money goes to the Premiership clubs pay superannuated foreigners.
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Nat 2 East confirmed (seen via Social Media) as:
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Bury St Edmunds
Canterbury
Dorking
Esher
Guernsey
Henley
North Walsham
Old Albanians
Sevenoaks
Tunbridge Juddians
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Wimbledon
Worthing
A very good league and (luckily - this time!) not the same "issues" as West (club locations etc).
Welcome to Esher, Westcombe Park and Wimbledon !
Hopefully fixtures will be out soon.  
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Few good Kent match ups there bit inconsiderate of Blackheath to get promoted tbqh Wink
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

It is both counter productive and wrong not to assist clubs with travel costs in the National leagues, the game needs the roots sustaining, not just looking after the flowers in the Premiership.

There has for the last two years been a travel fund to which clubs can apply. I have done ours for the last two years and got some of what we asked for. The principle is to support travel greater than 150 mile round trip.
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Funny that you managed to achieve something HalifordTongue
Apart from a miserly contribution to the Guernsey trip, I think we got  &*(. all.
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Don't think anyone has pointed this out but the RFU have issued the league set-up for N2:

National Two North: Billingham, Chester, Fylde, Huddersfield, Hull, Hull Ionians, Leeds Tykes, Otley, Preston Grasshoppers, Rotherham Titans, Sheffield, Sheffield Tigers, Tynedale, Wharfedale

National Two East: Barnes, Bury St Edmunds, Canterbury, Dorking, Esher, Guernsey, Henley, North Walsham, Old Albanain, Sevenoaks, Tonbridge Juddians, Westcombe Park, Wimbledon, Worthing

National Two West: Bournville, Camborne, Clifton, Dings Crusaders, Dudley Kingswinford, Exeter University, Hinckley, Hornets, Loughborough Students, Luctonians, Lymm, Newport (Salop), Old Redcliffians, Redruth
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Originally posted by Golden Jackal Golden Jackal wrote:

Funny that you managed to achieve something HalifordTongue
Apart from a miserly contribution to the Guernsey trip, I think we got  &*(. all.

We got more in Nat 2 than we did in Nat 1! Mainly extra money for Guernsey, I expect! 
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Would it not make more sense for Nat 2 to be increased from 3 to 4 leagues?
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

Would it not make more sense for Nat 2 to be increased from 3 to 4 leagues?
That is being discussed seemingly.
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That means either smaller leagues, or teams playing at this level that would otherwise have been playing at level 5 - with less travel.

If you really want to reduce travel, have three leagues at level 3 (made up from current Nat 1 and 2 sides) and nine at level 4 and then county leagues.

Now there would be some terrible mismatches. Sale and Rams would put 50 points on possibly two thirds of the teams in their leagues - but the rest of the leagues should be competitive.

And the ex-regional 1 sides would probably thrash the ex- regional 2 sides, and the regional 2 sides might bully the county sides - but as other people have said, things would even out.

More importantly, we need to sort out, or simply get rid of, the cup which patently did not work.

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cq, just seen next season's structured season and "patently" the RFU think Cups do work. Another end of season jamboree of walkovers.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

cq, just seen next season's structured season and "<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">patently" the RFU think Cups do work. Another end of season jamboree of walkovers.</span>


The RFU are not going to admit they made a mistake are they.

Also, it is my understanding that the deal with PJ was a multi-year one.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

Would it not make more sense for Nat 2 to be increased from 3 to 4 leagues?

That is being discussed seemingly.


Absolutely not.

Changing to 3 level 4 divisions has diluted the playing levels of each of those - making it 4 would worsen the situation even more.

To watch one's team win by 50 points occasionally is fine - if this happens in half the season's games it will become tedious and Gates will fall even further.
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I suspect that having seen the travelling, and now knowing the cost, more cubs will simply choose not to enter.  I do not know how much PJ paid, or what publicity they thought they might get - but if I were their marketing manager, I would be wanting a meeting with the RFU - and would not be offering any biscuits.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

Would it not make more sense for Nat 2 to be increased from 3 to 4 leagues?

That is being discussed seemingly.


Absolutely not.

Changing to 3 level 4 divisions has diluted the playing levels of each of those - making it 4 would worsen the situation even more.

To watch one's team win by 50 points occasionally is fine - if this happens in half the season's games it will become tedious and Gates will fall even further.
This just did not happen in Nat2 West this past season, maybe all the best clubs were in that league and the other two were not so good....................................................................Wink
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I have been involved in all our Nat 2 games this season.

The league is definatly weaker and is proving to be costly for clubs at the bottom who can not maintain the cash flow. Not for the lack of trying.

    Next season only one team promoted yet again. lose to many games at the start of the season and effectivly thats your season over. So you will need to invest in players which costs money.

    If you go over the salery gap you lose all funding, well we get FA anyway , so that does not work. 

This is NOT a level playing field.
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What are you proposing, ring fencing the lower leagues and stopping them from having a go at the next level? Sounds as bad as what the PRL are doing.
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