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With Wasps being sent to the bottom of the pyramid, there is now a possible vacancy in the Championship. 
If it is filled from below there is going to be a ripple effect on the leagues below. If a team is taken from National 1, then Fylde could have the opportunity to go up as the club which has won the most games across the second placed teams from our three leagues. It could also mean Lymm coming into N2N to replace Fylde.
If it isn’t filled, expect a lot of shouting from the Championship for the loss of match income.
Either way, RFU need to make a decision quickly so clubs can plan, oh pigs might fly!
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I have it on good authority that there will be no shuffle upwards. The Championship will continue with 12 teams. The outstanding question is how the Cup will be structured. Now we wait on the London Irish deadline!
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I have it on good authority that there will be no shuffle upwards. The Championship will continue with 12 teams. The outstanding question is how the Cup will be structured. Now we wait on the London Irish deadline!


A suggestwould be to bin the cup - Premiership sides are likely to field a lot of Academy players (as in the old Premier Cup) thus leaving a number of championship sides struggling to get 15 out.
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We will probably find out on Monday when Conor O’Shea speaks to the NLR AGM.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I have it on good authority that there will be no shuffle upwards. The Championship will continue with 12 teams. The outstanding question is how the Cup will be structured. Now we wait on the London Irish deadline!


A suggestwould be to bin the cup - Premiership sides are likely to field a lot of Academy players (as in the old Premier Cup) thus leaving a number of championship sides struggling to get 15 out.

I think this is a gross exaggeration.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I have it on good authority that there will be no shuffle upwards. The Championship will continue with 12 teams. The outstanding question is how the Cup will be structured. Now we wait on the London Irish deadline!

The RFU's principle used to be that teams were not promoted as a result of "vacancies" appearing at a higher level, rather that teams were saved from relegation. Thus Richmond, Esher and then, based on geography, Rochford would remain in their previous leagues. There would be a knock on through the lower leagues.

I realise I have used RFU and principle in the same sentence and await a ritual flogging Wink
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It's a moot point whether the Wasps' news leaves a vacancy in the Champ. Yes, there was a notion of 13 clubs for next season, leaving 24 in the top 2 tiers; but on the other hand the second tier hasn't had more than 12 clubs for 15 years.
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The ideal situation for the PRL sides was a five-week tournament.
So four pools of six.

I am sure they will not do anything until they know what is happening with London Irish - which we should know in two weeks.

Changing the size of the Premiership means negotiating with the other European leagues.

As I remember, they said the Championship would consist of the 11 Championship sides, the promoted Nat1 side and possibly Wasps and Worcester - so that suggests no lifeline for Richmond.

And there has been talk of a Barbarians side in the Cup - though I am not sure where they could play.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

And there has been talk of a Barbarians side in the Cup - though I am not sure where they could play.

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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

And there has been talk of a Barbarians side in the Cup - though I am not sure where they could play.


Sixways Wink


Or they could play all games away
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:



Or they (Barbarians) could play all games away

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exactly what I thought
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Hearing a rumour that Lymm, on appeal, go north, Chester  west
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Hearing a rumour that Lymm, on appeal, go north, Chester  west

Where from ?
Nothing on any relevant websites etc.
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It will come out soon. RFU rejected a 15 team league that both clubs flavoured.
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Can Chester appeal the appeal?
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

It will come out soon. RFU rejected a 15 team league that both clubs flavoured.

Mmmmm, flavoured clubs! ;)
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If true it will be the first successful appeal on record - I doubt it's true
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

If true it will be the first successful appeal on record - I doubt it's true
I've heard it from people at both clubs, both with the same version of the story.
Went to the very top, and the original decision overturned.
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"People" in a position of knowledge or "people" just speculating. If the RFU pressed their mileage calculator button and Lymm came out as having the lesser travel then how has that changed? Chester presumably then were deemed to have further to travel so on what grounds can that be overturned? Just seems mega-odd!! 
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The more I think about this "rumour" the more ludicrous it becomes!
"Both clubs favoured a 15 team league" If that is/was an actual suggestion then both clubs are being run by buffoon's (which I'm sure they're not!!)
Such a proposal would require 15 extra playing Saturdays to accommodate 1 club "resting" every week - so effectively almost a full year to complete a full league programme - never going to happen! 
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