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tulip 
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 Posted: 20 May 2023 at 15:04 |
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Just wish Steve Diamond and his consortium had been given a chance with Worcester
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 16:13 |
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Why??
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tigerburnie
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 18:24 |
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It is a tough one, their circumstances were very different to Wasps, but I can't help a feeling of deja-vu about them. A bloke turned at Rugby Lions with big ideas, recruited Neil Back, who recruited a load of players, turns out the bloke had no money at all and Backy ended up paying the players wages for them. Wonder why no-one in the games administrators do not know what is going on outside of the M25, indeed have any of them ever been outside of it?
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tigerburnie
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 21:38 |
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This has just appeared, I have been defending the PRL, but this just might finish any interest in the league if it goes ahead, it's an obscenity, what has gone on, who's been doing it and what they are proposing to "help the franchise" and even worse the league "needs big names like Wasps" absolutely disgusting if it comes to be true.
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Big Eddie
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 21:54 |
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So drop any pretence about the ideals of the game …… it is just a rigged and perverted pyramid that is about murky back room deals and to hell with the values that set us apart.
It is beyond disappointing
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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Richard Lowther
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 22:13 |
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What utter bollards. No club is bigger than the game.
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Wally
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Posted: 20 May 2023 at 22:22 |
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"Brands" only have value if they are respected by consumers/spectators. These 2 brands have lost all respect - valueless.
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why does it always rain on me
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Count Ford
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 00:08 |
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I've edited my message a couple of times because it's hard to put into words how incredibly disrespectful the attitude of the governing body is, assuming this is true.
Are they then saying London Welsh and every other club that have been through similar were just not important and not needed and they didn't give a damn Edited by Count Ford - 21 May 2023 at 00:42 |
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corporalcarrot
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 07:11 |
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Edited by corporalcarrot - 21 May 2023 at 07:13 |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Halliford
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 07:56 |
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Aren’t we jumping the gun? This is an article by one journalist in one newspaper quoting two unnamed sources. It’s not in any other newspaper and has no official statement.
Where else has there been anything about franchising for either Prem 1 or Prem 2?
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Moseley Mauler
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 09:03 |
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"Brands" sums up both Worcester and Wasps. Wasps hasn't been a rugby club for years.
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Big Eddie
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 09:04 |
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We are responding to an article by a respected rugby journalist in a respected newspaper. I think it highly unlikely that this article would be published without very substantial and conclusive supporting evidence. However, personally I would normally give any reasonably respected institution the benefit of the doubt ……. but we are talking about the RFU and they are neither reasonable nor respected
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castleparknight
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 09:08 |
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What a crock of this - jumble the letters accordingly
Guess it is conjecture at this point in time, so fingers crossed that is all it is.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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islander
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 10:25 |
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Agree BE. Article in full below for those who couldn't access. Important to stress this 'sensational lifeline' (and yes, the paper are hyping their exclusive a bit there, but I don't blame them) doesn't relate to next season... Wasps handed sensational late lifeline Exclusive: Discussions have taken place within RFU and Premiership to keep the brand alive with prospect of a franchise Championship place By Gavin Mairs, CHIEF RUGBY UNION CORRESPONDENT 20 May 2023 • 9:00pm Wasps could be handed an incredible lifeline to prevent the club from becoming extinct, Telegraph Sport can reveal. It is understood that discussions are taking place at a senior level within Premiership Rugby and the Rugby Football Union about finding a process in which the club could be offered a ‘franchise’ place to return to the second tier of English rugby within the next five years. Wasps, one of the most recognisable and successful brands in English club rugby, faced oblivion on Thursday night when the RFU board decided to withdraw the club’s licence to compete in the Championship next season, meaning the four-time English and two-time European champions would have to drop to the bottom of the league pyramid and start next season in Counties 4 Midlands West. Chris Holland, who owns the club’s training ground and its intellectual property, had gained approval to play at Solihull Moors FC’s ground and was looking at leasing Worcester’s Sixways stadium as they attempted to secure funding for the club to play in the Championship next season. It is understood the RFU also attempted to help the club secure funding, including introducing Holland to a potential investor, understood to be a UK billionaire, and holding meetings to attempt to get the funding in place. But uncertainty about the future structure of the top two tiers and whether or not promotion and relegation would be retained proved to be a stumbling block. The club sources say the potential benefactor’s conclusion was that it was simply not investable because of the lack of certainty in the league structure, the situation over the rugby creditors and a lack of confidence in what they were being told. The RFU rejected Wasps’ plea for a 10-day extension to confirm their funding arrangements but the decision was taken after the club were unable to provide assurances on several conditions, including the payment of their rugby creditors and the appointment of a director of rugby. However, while the decision has devastated those who were attempting to revive the club, it now seems like the door will be left open for their return in “the medium term” as both PRL and the RFU see the Wasps brand and their supporter base as key to growing the success and status of a rebranded Championship. With both the Premiership and Championship set to move to a franchise basis as part of the new professional game agreement with the RFU to be signed next year, Wasps could be offered the opportunity to apply for a franchise once the new leagues have “become established.” “We need brands like Wasps and Worcester in the Championship and there must be a way in the medium term to bring them back more quickly by restructuring the championship to refranchise them in the right place in the country,” said one senior Premiership source. Another senior source said: “We need strong brands to make Prem 2 viable.” |
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Camquin
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 10:33 |
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One has to ask, if the RFU knows of a Billionaire willing to invest several millions into rugby, why are they not looking to get him to sponsor level 2? Also, if rugby is uninvestable, who is to blame? It is not up to the RFU to save Wasps RFC - it is their job to save rugby.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Steve@Mose
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 10:36 |
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What a farce....
 How long will it take for these new leagues to "become established"? Five years? Ten years? And whereabouts would be "the right place in the country" for a Wasps franchise to turn up/infest (with their supporter base in tow)?
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tigerburnie
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 10:59 |
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We know that there is a tough time for most folks just now, my electric bill doubled almost over night, folk will be cutting back and expenses like season tickets may just have to be dropped by some. So something has to happen, money has to come from somewhere for the top two tiers if we are to have a professional game and a competitive National team. However, this seems to overstep everyone's line in the sand, now to me one of two things has happened here, sort of following how politics goes these days with "leaks". Either the RFU/PRL have deliberately leaked it to test the waters and in their eyes. maybe soften the blow later. Or someone in the know thinks this stinks as much as I do and has leaked it early in enough so some the barricades can be built and we can find enough pitchforks and build a few scaffolds.
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Big Eddie
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 11:52 |
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Spot on tigerburnie
Let us all be clear …. this latest development and all the circumstances that are set out in the leading article by Nick Cain in today’s Rugby Paper …. lay bare the clear and obvious indifference, and negligent disregard that the RFU, its senior executives and the RFU Executive Council appear to have for every level of club rugby below the Premiership. The Executive Council do not appear to have exercised any oversight…. because if they had they all would have resigned many years ago. I am sure there are good people on the RFU Executive Council but as a collective they haven’t done the job they were elected to do. The RFU’s Executive Management and its craven lickspittle enablers otherwise known as the RFU Council will be remembered for presiding over the demise of the sport it is meant to administer. Just shameful
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 12:31 |
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This 10/10 idea has been around as one possible avenue for I would say four or five years now. It was certainly being tossed around by the Prem clubs and PRL management when Paul Myners was doing his Saracens report as he was consulted about it at the time - I knew Paul well. The big sticking point was "how do we choose the 10?", but that seems to be solved by the disappearances of W, W and LI. Convenient, eh?
As it was being discussed back then, the idea was that the top tiers would be matched up so that the T2 clubs act as feeders/academies for the T1s and they share financial burdens/profits. Of course, that requires a very special balance of membership so that these things fit geographically. However much of a conspiracy theorist one might be, I don't think you can point to any deep-state manipulation here (though for my own personal conspiracy-theorising, the sudden change from a Richmond-Quins loanee arrangement to a massively expanded Scottish-Quins arrangement does also look like very good timing, as does the last-minute survival of Scottish - but that is just the sour grapes talking. Anyway, the NCA meeting tomorrow will make for interesting feedback, especially if Nat 1 clubs suddenly discover that there may not be any promotion to T2 next season (or any season after that). I really wish the scriptwriters of this awful comedy-drama would take a few months off.
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Broken down. Beyond repair.
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kempstonblue
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 12:37 |
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Half waiting to hear as a franchise, Bedford Blues will be Bedford Bombardiers in a tie up with the local brewers.
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Looking forward to new beginnings.
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