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RWC Semi-Final: England vs South Africa

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2023 at 17:21
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Something unpleasant reported to have happened in the match.


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South Africa's Bongi Mbonambi has been accused of using a racial slur towards England flanker Tom Curry during his side's Rugby World Cup semi-final win.

Curry approached referee Ben O'Keeffe about half an hour into the match, reported the alleged comment and asked what he should do in response.

"Nothing please," replied O'Keeffe.

England have 36 hours after the final whistle to refer such incidents to the citing commissioner, who could then call a disciplinary hearing.

With Saturday's match kicking off at 20:00 BST, the deadline for England to report back to World Rugby is on Monday morning.

Curry was asked after the match whether something untoward had been said to him by Mbonambi.

"Yeah," he replied, before adding that "it does not need to be talked about".

It appeared that Mbonambi refused to shake Curry's hand at the end of the match as the acrimony between the two sides continued after the final whistle.

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Mbonambi is the only specialist hooker in the South Africa squad after the Springbok management opted to replace the injured Malcolm Marx with fly-half Handre Pollard earlier in the tournament.

Deon Fourie, a converted back row, has been covering the position off the replacements bench.

The irony of them engaging in that sort of disgusting behaviour, given what they came out of 31 years ago.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2023 at 18:04
Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Well, that’s what you get when you value a prop’s “ball carrying” skills over basic scrummaging skills.
Should have left Cole on for longer, I didn't think he looked tired.

Or brought DC back on - you bet your life SA would have manufactured an injury or HIA for Sinckler once the lead had been cut from 9 to 2pts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 10:24
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Who is the team in green, and where is the real South Africa?


Where is the 50 point drubbing you predicted ?
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 10:30
I think it got washed away by the rain.
Always a great leveller.

But South Africa did not look half as dynamic as the previous week.
And our tackling and turnover work was excellent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 13:09
World Rugby to review South Africa star's alleged use of racial slur

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World Rugby has confirmed it will formally review the alleged use of a racial slur by South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi towards England's Tom Curry.

Curry approached referee Ben O'Keeffe to report the comment half an hour into the Springboks' Rugby World Cup semi-final victory.

If banned, Mbonambi could miss the final against New Zealand on Saturday.

World Rugby said it will take the allegation "extremely seriously".

The governing body confirmed it will make no further comment on the incident until the conclusion of its review process.

England flanker Curry was asked after the match whether something untoward had been said to him by Mbonambi.

"Yeah," he replied, before adding that "it does not need to be talked about".

It appeared that Mbonambi refused to shake Curry's hand as the acrimony between the two sides continued following the final whistle.

Teams are given up to 36 hours after the culmination of matches to refer incidents to the citing commissioner.

Mbonambi is the only specialist hooker in the South Africa squad, with the team's management having opted to replace the injured Malcolm Marx with fly-half Handre Pollard earlier in the tournament.

SA Rugby - the South African rugby union - had already started its own investigation into Curry's claim.

"We are aware of the allegation, which we take very seriously, and are reviewing the available evidence," it said.

"We will engage with Bongi if anything is found to substantiate the claim."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 13:11
So Lawrence Dalaglio comes out with another load of "tosh" saying "the referee handed SA the victory" I think if supporters of any club at any level had seen such scrum domination and not been given penalties we would all be outraged. The problem is both Genge and Sinckler are great at puffing their chests out and giving it the big "I am" Truth is their scrummaging at International level is sub-standard and boy did it show.
Everyone lauding Farrell performance but if he hadn't insisted on "gobbing off" and gifting SA 3 points we could be having a totally different conversation
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 13:31
My (biggest) problem with ITV's coverage is that you've got a huge TV audience of casual viewers being told by Woodward and Dallaglio that the ref doesn't know what he's doing (oh, the irony...).  And then we get a social media pile-on orchestrated by people who don't understand the laws because 'respected' pundits are just as clueless and basically give them carte blanche to abuse the officials for ruining the game.  ITV have to take some responsibility and actually employ people who have watched rugby since 2003 and understand the laws of the modern game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Greg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 13:57
"Everyone lauding Farrell performance but if he hadn't insisted on "gobbing off" and gifting SA 3 points we could be having a totally different conversation"
How long would Erasmus and his coaching team have kept Farrell on the pitch? The way he ruthlessly manages his substitutions is something else.
I do not approve of, or like, the amount of substitutions now allowed as, to my mind, it is changing the nature of the game and not rewarding the players with greater stamina (especially in the front row). Rugby is a game played over 80 minutes and natural fatigue should be allowed to run its course. The game is slowly moving towards the type of American NFL game - multiple changes allowed throughout the game to reflect offensive and defensive situations. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 14:45
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

My (biggest) problem with ITV's coverage is that you've got a huge TV audience of casual viewers being told by Woodward and Dallaglio that the ref doesn't know what he's doing (oh, the irony...).  And then we get a social media pile-on orchestrated by people who don't understand the laws because 'respected' pundits are just as clueless and basically give them carte blanche to abuse the officials for ruining the game.  ITV have to take some responsibility and actually employ people who have watched rugby since 2003 and understand the laws of the modern game.

Yes Mark.
This is particularly frustrating when Dallaglio or Woodward can't be bothered to keep up to date with laws or do basic research on opposition players.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 12:21
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

So Lawrence Dalaglio comes out with another load of "tosh" saying "the referee handed SA the victory" I think if supporters of any club at any level had seen such scrum domination and not been given penalties we would all be outraged. The problem is both Genge and Sinckler are great at puffing their chests out and giving it the big "I am" Truth is their scrummaging at International level is sub-standard and boy did it show.
Everyone lauding Farrell performance but if he hadn't insisted on "gobbing off" and gifting SA 3 points we could be having a totally different conversation

It is much more of a talking point when Dallaglio actually says something sensible although I'm not quite sure when that last happened. Pre-covid maybe?  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 13:39
BBC report:

Flanker Tom Curry starts England's Rugby World Cup third-place play-off against Argentina after a week of controversy.

Curry's claim that he was abused by South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi in England's semi-final defeat is being investigated by World Rugby.

Elsewhere Marcus Smith comes in at full-back and Henry Arundell is on the wing as two of eight new starters.

Scrum-half Ben Youngs makes his first start of the tournament.

Courtney Lawes, who announced he will retire from international rugby at the end of the tournament, has played his final England match after being left out of the 23-man matchday squad.

Sam Underhill makes his first appearance of the tournament after being called up to the squad as a replacement for Jack Willis during the pool stages.

Freddie Steward shifts from full-back to wing to accommodate Smith's inclusion, meaning there is no room for Johnny May as he contemplates ending his own international career.

Owen Farrell continues at fly-half, while coach Steve Borthwick opts for an all-new front row of Ellis Genge, Theo Dan and Will Stuart.

Ollie Chessum displaces George Martin in the second row to pack down alongside Maro Itoje.

"After the disappointment of last weekend's game against South Africa, it is important that this Friday we once again play with the determination and dedication that so nearly earned the team the result we wanted," said Borthwick.

"The Bronze Final gives us a great opportunity to finish the tournament on a positive note, continue to build for the future, and to give our supporters one last chance to get behind the squad out here in Paris.

"The players are looking forward to the challenge against what will be a strong Argentina side. "

England beat the Pumas in the teams' opening match of the tournament in September, making light of Curry's third-minute red card to record a 27-10 victory.

England are playing in the third-place play-off for only the second time in their history, having previously lost to France in the 1995 bronze-medal game.

England: Smith; Steward, Marchant, Tuilagi, Arundell; Farrell (capt), Youngs; Genge, Dan, Stuart, Itoje, Chessum, Curry, Underhill, Earl.
Replacements: George, Rodd, Cole, Ribbans, Ludlam, Care, Ford, Lawrence.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 14:58
No sentimentality from Borthwick then.  Courtney should have kept shtum until after the match!  I thought Ludlam would get a start.  Under-used throughout in my view given that he was one of the few players to come out of the last 6N with any credit.  At least he hasn't picked Vunipola.

All that said I'm sure they would rather be back home having a breather anyway.  I don't know why they persist with this game.
That's easy for you to say.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 15:05
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

I don't know why they persist with this game.

because it earns revenue from ticket sales + TV - that is why it's unlikely ever to be scrapped. I guess it adds a further incentive not to lose a semi-final... Confused
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