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    Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 13:22
Originally posted by SK 88 SK 88 wrote:

Yes that's been the case for the entirety of the European Cup in all its forms. 

To be fair English clubs hardly need to go to Europe to make a financial loss do they?
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Yes that's been the case for the entirety of the European Cup in all its forms. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Delamas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 07:47
...so, will Quins and Saints both make a financial loss on their away semi-finals ?  (!)
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:



Baxter mentions the extra travel costs but forgets the extra income from prize money (1/4 final must be more than last 16) and big home matches.

I've had a quick look for the figures but I can't find them. 

It's sillier than I thought.

The monies raised in the rest of the champions cup are shared equally between the 3 leagues (urc, prem top14). Prem share this prize equally amongst the 10.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 08:24
Well we have seen how travel arrangements have impacted the Champions cup this year.
Will that have an impact on this
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I read this bit from Steve's post yesterday:

"Reports say the format of the Champions Cup could be changed to make room in the calendar for the new event".

Then I read your interpretation:
"The new comp won't have an impact on player welfare/duration of season because the 'North v South' KO games will be instead of the Champions Cup KO stage for that season..."


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Several people either haven't read/absorbed the details of the new competition flagged by Steve@Mose at 1857 yesterday, or discounted them because they don't suit their arguments. The new comp won't have an impact on player welfare/duration of season because the 'North v South' KO games will be instead of the Champions Cup KO stage for that season...
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:



Baxter mentions the extra travel costs but forgets the extra income from prize money (1/4 final must be more than last 16) and big home matches.

I've had a quick look for the figures but I can't find them. 

I've assumed Rugby works like most sports....
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:



Baxter mentions the extra travel costs but forgets the extra income from prize money (1/4 final must be more than last 16) and big home matches.

I've had a quick look for the figures but I can't find them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 11:51
If only we all had Leinster sized budgets...

Players already play too many games for their welfare and not enough for the sport to work financially.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

That what I was thinking, if you have domestic season until May, this in June, then International tours in July and pre-season in August - when do the players get a rest?
English players have to sit out on their club games, so fans get to watch the second team quite a lot, this is exactly what Leinster have been doing for years.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2024 at 11:13
That what I was thinking, if you have domestic season until May, this in June, then International tours in July and pre-season in August - when do the players get a rest?
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Originally posted by Delamas Delamas wrote:

...but he specifically agrees with 'growing the game'. Once again however the plans have preceded the funding and finances.


Finances aside, whatever happened to player welfare? More high profile matches necessitates larger squads. I wonder where this came from? Good thing is that it's only every four years 

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There has to be demand for something to grow.

Will the Saints v Bulls sell out?

Hearsay has it that lots of season tickets were returned and the Bulls are resting their A line players.


Baxter mentions the extra travel costs but forgets the extra income from prize money (1/4 final must be more than last 16) and big home matches.


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...but he specifically agrees with 'growing the game'. Once again however the plans have preceded the funding and finances.

(Meanwhile, Chiefs are incurring significant costs for this weekend's travel to Toulouse at short notice).
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

bit curmudgeonly of Baxter IMHO - this seems like a decent concept to me, and he would do well to put on his 'grow the game' trousers...

Whilst the idea is good, as ever, it's only Baxter who puts a sensible approach. Grow the game would be better including Tier 2 clubs from Europe and Australasia.

Clubs have no cash at the moment. 
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Leicester Tigers are playing Georgia Black Lions on May 3rd, clubs could very easily play some of the emerging nations clubs or National sides to help, pre season friendlies spring to mind to get the ball rolling.
I remember watching Georgia at Welford Road years ago, this could easily fit in giving sides experience, sure this could include Championship sides as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2024 at 19:58
bit curmudgeonly of Baxter IMHO - this seems like a decent concept to me, and he would do well to put on his 'grow the game' trousers...
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Rob Baxter: Exeter Chiefs boss wary of new world club competition plans

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Exeter boss Rob Baxter says plans for a new club world championship have to be viable for the sides that take part.

Plans for eight sides from Europe to face six teams from Super Rugby and two from Japan's Rugby League One have been mooted for June 2028.

They come as English clubs try to recover from tough financial times brought on in part by Covid-19.

Reports say the format of the Champions Cup could be changed to make room in the calendar for the new event.

"If someone says to me that in four years time they've got the finances in place that cover everyone's travel costs and there's a TV deal that means all the clubs involved in it get millions of pounds, and it helps all the clubs be viable, thriving businesses, I would say it's exactly what the game needs," Baxter, Exeter's director of rugby, said.

"If what, as normal happens, is, 'Let's try and give it a go and see if we can make it work and see if we can create some interest,' I would be very hesitant about it because you can very easily create bigger issues in the game trying to solve issues, as we have seen numerous times."

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Chris Jones, BBC rugby union correspondent

Plans for a World Club Championship are gathering pace, with a first edition of the tournament set to take place in 2028.

Under the proposals, the quarter-finalists from the Champions Cup would go into a competition with eight other clubs from around the world to see who is crowned world club champion.

This tournament would take place in a block in June with domestic finals shifting earlier in the season. The World Club Championship would take place every four years.

The concept is an exciting one and has been mooted for years. But as Baxter points out, the devil is in the detail. The tournament has to make financial sense and needs to be logistically manageable.

The inclusion of the South Africans in the Champions Cup should act as a cautionary tale. While they have been good value on the field, the logistics have been extremely challenging - especially for knockout matches at short notice - as evidenced by the Stormers' travel to Exeter last year and the Bulls' travails in getting to Northampton for their quarter-final this Saturday.
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