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Sid James
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Very true, at levels 1 & 2. And, like Camquin, most people would have said Jersey, as they have no idea of the facts until it all goes wrong. Who will be next to reveal all and go under?
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All Knwoing All Seeing
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Camquin
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I do not believe you could make the game entirely amateur - the genie is out of the bottle. There are too many players being paid in the National and Regional Leagues. I think we have to accept that clubs can pay players, but we need to make the game financially stable, so perhaps we do need spending limits. |
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workerbee
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The RFU tried to set spending limits to all levels but made the penalties so feeble that most if not all ignored them. In fact clubs simply told the RFU that they were not adhering to the levels. Only true penalties such as the used against Saracens would be a real deterrent. The RFU and National leagues require clubs to provide them with their Balance sheets so you would think that it would be simple to see what they are doing. With the staffing levels at HQ a simple look at leagues and results would show those clubs who are moving up the leagues or are having big wins would highlight those clubs who would require closer look to see how they are doing it and a visit could follow. Unfortunately that would require someone to travel around the country outside of the M25.
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Paul10
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France are demonstrating that a fully pro second level is possible.
Lowest budget in last year's season was apparently over €5M With reference to some comments above the spending rules are stricter over there.
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billesleyexile
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They're demonstrating a fully pro second level is possible *in France* Maybe the RFU could look to do likewise if English local authorities suddenly started owning most of the grounds; the national profile of football was weakened; and whole tracts of the country were open to professional rugby because they had no overlap with much other professional sport. Because *then* we'd be comparing apples and apples, rather than apples and oranges.
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keep the faith
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Richard Lowther
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I'm still awaiting an answer. It just appears to be throwing good money after bad but I wait to be convinced I'm wrong...
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WEvans
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WEvans
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I think you will wait a long time and I'm not sure Premiership 2 would even enrich any clubs at all.
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rugbychris
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No one was willing to purchase London Irish. They had a decent team. Good Academy. Good community and foundation setup. Excellent history and an immediate tie in with Irish expats both in the UK and America. Good brand. Good potential etc.
I cant for the life of me see why ANYONE would want to buy-in to a franchise.
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castleparknight
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Perhaps his being Welsh might justify his No response 🤣
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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gerg_861
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This.
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Camquin
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The other thing London Irish's history shows is the pressure that running a Rugby Union side puts on the playing surface, which means that although Reading and Brentford needed the rent, n the end, it was not worth the candle. This weekend we have seen from another sport, that you can have a great marketing concept, only for the smallest of technical details to make you look a fool. If we are going to get Premier 2 to work, we need a proper plan for finance, marketing and playing, all of which will need more than the back of a fag packet And the people writing it need to listen to the scrappy kid shouting that the Emperor has no clothes. |
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Richard Lowther
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I can understand the RFU proving money to the Premiership to fund access to England players who are under contract to clubs - but it would be cheaper for both the RFU and Clubs to have these under central contracts. In reality no England international will be selected from any club playing in Premier 2* and therefore there is no business case I can see to fund them more than they fund any other club outside of the Premiership. I hear arguments about clubs developing future England internationals - and there is a discussion to be had around this point - but in practice all the clubs that developed the player - from the school or kids rugby, through colts, university, local club, etc should share in funding - not just his latest club, who will have benefitted from all the hard work put in by the clubs before. * We saw from the last RFU/PRL deal that England players had to be drawn from the Premiership clubs unless special circumstances existed - this was to provide the Premiership protection against players going abroad and the clubs potentially losing out on RFU funding if they didn't provide England with players. Will this restrictive rule be included in the new deal - I suspect so because otherwise it weakens the Premiership financial argument.
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FHLH
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Football's approach to Everton's excess losses:
"During the proceedings, the Club admitted it was in breach of the PSRs for the period ending Season 2021/22 but the extent of the breach remained in dispute. "Following a five-day hearing last month, the Commission determined that Everton FC’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR) Calculation for the relevant period resulted in a loss of £124.5million, as contended by the Premier League, which exceeded the threshold of £105million (loss) permitted under the PSRs. "The Commission concluded that a sporting sanction in the form of a 10-point deduction should be imposed. "That sanction has immediate effect."
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Greg
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Let's be realistic. Premiership Rugby want a 'closed shop' - no relegation, no promotion. There simply is not enough money in or around the professional game to sustain many more clubs than this.
Get the Premiership back up to 12 clubs/franchises (call them what you will) and engage England players on central contracts. Allow the rest of the English clubs to form a truly national league structure with promotion and relegation as an absolute given for every club. This might even allow for a proper National Knock-out cup competition as well. The better clubs will still be a focus for aspiring youngsters to showcase their skills. |
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FHLH
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The challenge then is to decide which of the Championship clubs will be frozen out. As in my earlier post regarding Everton, there needs to be a clampdown on excess losses, as in football and that needs to be factored into Premiership entry. The solution to financial monitoring is very simple - one standard piece of accounting software which can be used to compare performance each month. We should copy the French monitoring system with points deduction or expulsion from the Premiership. |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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donnyladinsheffield
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How about the amount you have left after you deduct all other expenditure from the income you can generate?
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He's alright and he don't care; He's got thermal underwear
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Camquin
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What like amateur clubs. That would never work.
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SK 88
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Very interesting statement from the Championship clubs just now.
Coming out so strongly (& unanimously) against franchising & separating pro from amateur rugby is a much bolder position than I thought they'd take. I'd assumed opposition was more from the position of not trusting there would be equitable treatment within the proposed new structure. Seems a very big risk for the bigger clubs to take, though I guess they can be against it now, then when it happens anyway apply for a franchise at that point.
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Greg
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"The challenge then is to decide which of the Championship clubs will be frozen out."
Of the remaining 11 clubs in the Championship we know for certain that Ealing would want to be 'in'. Doncaster, Coventry and, maybe, Pirates would also want a chance but only Donny, currently, would be allowed in. I doubt that Bedford would want to join and that the remaining 6 would also be unlikely candidates. |
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