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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

[QUOTE=No 7] Sir Mike Gooley




Exactly........Gary Reynolds is the director of some 28 limited companies ! . The reasons for forming Ltd companies are complex but allow liability to be 'limited ' and in most cases allow bankruptcy without paying money owed to employees and other entities when things go south.
Gary Reynolds is involved in the dark arts of investments and is a very wealthy and successful ' businessman '
Mike Gooley purchased the Trailfinders Sports ground in 1999 it was formerly the sports ground of the Great Western Railway. 


Gary Reynolds is in actual fact a director of 18 not 28 limited companies (I suppose 50% exaggeration is not bad for a keyboard warrior)

Of those companies, 50% of them have the name Courtiers in their title.

Of the remaining 9 business's, 7 of them are financial services companies, who surprisingly share the same address as Courtiers ... of those 7, 3 of them are one company, leaving 4 individual companies.

That leaves 2 further companies, one is Rams and one is a specialist nutrition company for sports people.

So Mike Gooley is a director of 7 companies, what does it prove?

What is the point you're trying to make obliquely about our CEO, who has in the last 30 years given so much to make our club what it is today?

You know absolutely nothing about Gary Reynolds and what sort of man he is and his character and what he's done for Redingensians RFC and now Rams RFC

Stop making sly digs about limited liability law and not paying people/suppliers when a company goes bust .... put your money where your mouth is and say what you mean/think?

Companies House, the Government website must be incorrect . It clearly shows Gary Derek Reynolds being the director of 26 limited companies. With his wife Cath being a director of two Rams ltd companies. There is another Reynolds director of Rams which I assume is his son.
There is a pdf document which lays out the proposal for the future of the Rams rugby club which I can give a link to .when I am at a PC. 


Edited by No 7 - 05 Feb 2024 at 23:27
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clive Norling Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 06:40
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

[QUOTE=No 7] Sir Mike Gooley




Exactly........Gary Reynolds is the director of some 28 limited companies ! . The reasons for forming Ltd companies are complex but allow liability to be 'limited ' and in most cases allow bankruptcy without paying money owed to employees and other entities when things go south.
Gary Reynolds is involved in the dark arts of investments and is a very wealthy and successful ' businessman '
Mike Gooley purchased the Trailfinders Sports ground in 1999 it was formerly the sports ground of the Great Western Railway. 


Gary Reynolds is in actual fact a director of 18 not 28 limited companies (I suppose 50% exaggeration is not bad for a keyboard warrior)

Of those companies, 50% of them have the name Courtiers in their title.

Of the remaining 9 business's, 7 of them are financial services companies, who surprisingly share the same address as Courtiers ... of those 7, 3 of them are one company, leaving 4 individual companies.

That leaves 2 further companies, one is Rams and one is a specialist nutrition company for sports people.

So Mike Gooley is a director of 7 companies, what does it prove?

What is the point you're trying to make obliquely about our CEO, who has in the last 30 years given so much to make our club what it is today?

You know absolutely nothing about Gary Reynolds and what sort of man he is and his character and what he's done for Redingensians RFC and now Rams RFC

Stop making sly digs about limited liability law and not paying people/suppliers when a company goes bust .... put your money where your mouth is and say what you mean/think?


Companies House, the Government website must be incorrect . It clearly shows Gary Derek Reynolds being the director of 26 limited companies. With his wife Cath being a director of two Rams ltd companies. There is another Reynolds director of Rams which I assume is his son.
There is a pdf document which lays out the proposal for the future of the Rams rugby club which I can give a link to .when I am at a PC. 




No, Companies House website is accurate, unlike yourself ....

If you had bothered to scroll down the website, you would have seen that 6 of his directorships are duplicated for the same companies and 2 of his directorships the companies are dissolved, that's why the ACCURATE figure is 18 .

However, I don't think Rams club members care if he is a director of 1018 companies as long as he continues to do the best for our club ....

You've conveniently not answered the question though I asked, what is the point of all of this that you're writing?

Is it because the Championship clubs at the moment have agreed en bloc that they don't accept the RFU's plan of Premiership 2 and Rams RFC have intimated that if they meet the criteria, they would like to be considered, so now you're trying to undermine Gary Reynolds business credentials and discredit him?

A simple yes or no to that question will suffice and if it's a "no", again, then what is the point of this inaccurate information you're posting please?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cricks at 2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 08:30
Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Perhaps one criteria should be a flat pitch.



  


Not sure Bedford and Caldy would be happy with that 😉
Internationals have been played at Goldington Road. I guess a guaranteed full house trumps a bit of a slope.😀
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 12:46
Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Mr. Evans your comments about our CEO are way off the mark, however, we live in a democracy, so you’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s a million miles from the truth …. maybe what irks you is the fact the “new kids” on the block are interested in joining Prem 2 and your club with all its traditions and history of supplying International players is being usurped?


What irks me Mr Strawman Norling is what I said and not what you would like me to think. 


Well then what you said is so not true about our CEO, it’s beyond laughable …. remind me, how many times have Rosslyn Park beaten Rams since we came into National 1? …. And as a supplementary question, what’s your spend on players wages compared to ours …. ??

What is beyond laughable are your constant strawman arguments Ashley. 
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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

But of course if you listen to the podcast, and I mean actually listen to it, he doesn't start to state his case by rubbishing anyone.

His reference to football fans, right or wrong, is solely in response to how he has been allegedly 'trolled' following an expression of interest by him and his club in joining Prem 2, and nothing whatsoever to do with why a new tier 2 plan might just work. To say otherwise is misleading.

For me, the man actually speaks articulately in plain English, is to the point and makes several sensible (and hardly radical) points around needing to 'do up' a few grounds so that TV companies can actually broadcast live games, and in so doing both attract more fans and, crucially, more sponsorsorship, thus going a long way towards increasing the ££ that clubs will receive.

But of course if you read what I wrote and actually listened to the podcast, and I mean really read what I wrote and listened to the podcast, you will see my point was about him rubbishing football fans by saying that those who trolled him were behaving like the average football fan. (I highlight the key words here).

It's not about any of the other ludicrous strawman points raised by Ashley and others. It's about what he actually said and how he actually behaved.

It really is that simple.
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Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

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A good idea. Maybe they can shift some of the straw out of the way? LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GTB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 13:23
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

But of course if you listen to the podcast, and I mean actually listen to it, he doesn't start to state his case by rubbishing anyone.

His reference to football fans, right or wrong, is solely in response to how he has been allegedly 'trolled' following an expression of interest by him and his club in joining Prem 2, and nothing whatsoever to do with why a new tier 2 plan might just work. To say otherwise is misleading.

For me, the man actually speaks articulately in plain English, is to the point and makes several sensible (and hardly radical) points around needing to 'do up' a few grounds so that TV companies can actually broadcast live games, and in so doing both attract more fans and, crucially, more sponsorsorship, thus going a long way towards increasing the ££ that clubs will receive.

But of course if you read what I wrote and actually listened to the podcast, and I mean really read what I wrote and listened to the podcast, you will see my point was about him rubbishing football fans by saying that those who trolled him were behaving like the average football fan. (I highlight the key words here).

It's not about any of the other ludicrous strawman points raised by Ashley and others. It's about what he actually said and how he actually behaved.

It really is that simple.

Football does have a problem with tribalism and poor behaviour, so I don't think it's unreasonable to use that culture as a premise to argue that some rugby fans can be just as bad, even when the sport seems to always try and take the high ground over values- which was his wider point. Obviously, the word "average" and its insinuation that the majority of football fans behave in a bad manner, wasn't great wording, but you would have to be fairly thin-skinned to suggest that this completely discredits everything he says. He made some very interesting points about Prem 2 and if you want to support/critique those then that would make for a much healthier debate. 
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Edited by No 7 - 06 Feb 2024 at 15:10
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Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

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I'm not sure it is off track but one thing I will say is everybody be civil, there are a few posts which aren't making any relevant points but just ad hominen responses 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clive Norling Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 16:14
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

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I'm not sure it is off track but one thing I will say is everybody be civil, there are a few posts which aren't making any relevant points but just ad hominen responses 





Richard, post noted and acknowledged BUT surely I have the right to defend Rams CEO from people writing utter nonsense about him, which if not challenged, others will believe is true …. ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MarkyMark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 16:25
Quite right Richard…. no idea what those 2 are going on about…. 

But sloping pitches is something of a speciality of ours at Bedford. And long may it continue… as mentioned previously it’s used for Internationals, Representative games etc etc. Adds character so they tell me. Can’t see them ever changing it, it aids spectator viewing 


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Originally posted by MarkyMark MarkyMark wrote:

Quite right Richard…. no idea what those 2 are going on about…. 

But sloping pitches is something of a speciality of ours at Bedford. And long may it continue… as mentioned previously it’s used for Internationals, Representative games etc etc. Adds character so they tell me. Can’t see them ever changing it, it aids spectator viewing 




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Originally posted by MarkyMark MarkyMark wrote:

Quite right Richard…. no idea what those 2 are going on about…. 

But sloping pitches is something of a speciality of ours at Bedford. And long may it continue… as mentioned previously it’s used for Internationals, Representative games etc etc. Adds character so they tell me. Can’t see them ever changing it, it aids spectator viewing 

Years ago. I am told they tried to level out the corner. It returned to a sloping corner, possibly even more of a slope than that which they tried to rectify.
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KB - given that Bedford have struggled for a while now to beat Doncaster Knights away, perhaps we should be penalised for having a flat pitch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Geoff DC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 18:51
Correct me if I am wrong, but Rams Money Accumulators are the new Ealing Travel Agents.

At least that's what I am hearing from CN 

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Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but Rams Money Accumulators are the new Ealing Travel Agents.

At least that's what I am hearing from CN 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 20:00
This is all getting rather tedious.  Can we not get back to discussing the thread title?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 20:50
I understand that there is a meeting this Thursday betwen the Champ clubs and the RFU. Apparently the Champ clubs have requested that Steve Diamond not attend as he is now NewCastle coach. Probably a fair ask, given that they should by all rights be relegated.
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I understand that there is a meeting this Thursday betwen the Champ clubs and the RFU. Apparently the Champ clubs have requested that Steve Diamond not attend as he is now NewCastle coach. Probably a fair ask, given that they should by all rights be relegated.

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