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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

On those terms above Wasps, Worcester and London Irish will never return.

Indeed but I think the mistake you may be making is expecting the RFU to abide by their own regulations!
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

On those terms above Wasps, Worcester and London Irish will never return.

Indeed but I think the mistake you may be making is expecting the RFU to abide by their own regulations!

The one thing that I will add is that we should keep in mind that the fans had nothing to do with the poor business practices that led to their clubs' demise. I really feel for these folks, many of whom will have seen their rugby day out as a key part of their regular social interaction.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

On those terms above Wasps, Worcester and London Irish will never return.

Indeed but I think the mistake you may be making is expecting the RFU to abide by their own regulations!

The one thing that I will add is that we should keep in mind that the fans had nothing to do with the poor business practices that led to their clubs' demise. I really feel for these folks, many of whom will have seen their rugby day out as a key part of their regular social interaction.

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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

On those terms above Wasps, Worcester and London Irish will never return.

Indeed but I think the mistake you may be making is expecting the RFU to abide by their own regulations!

The one thing that I will add is that we should keep in mind that the fans had nothing to do with the poor business practices that led to their clubs' demise. I really feel for these folks, many of whom will have seen their rugby day out as a key part of their regular social interaction.

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Rugby fans should pay more than they do now. Everyone wants something for nowt and expects someone else to pay. Sounds like a recipe for failure to me.
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RFU statement finally...https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rfu-statement-deadline-set-for-new-look-english-championship-plan/
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

RFU statement finally...

and now for something completely different Confused
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“We’d like to thank all the Nat 1 clubs who have expressed interest “; presumably the existing clubs can kiss Mr Sweeney’s a”&&”?
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Interesting, I read that as: "we would like to thank you for your interest but will not be offering you as a position at this time."

But, it could be read the other way.

I really think the Championship needs to expand to 14 teams, it would, however, spoil an epic fight between Chinnor and Rams - currently both on 77 points - with Chinnor ahead on points difference.
 
At the moment, if it were three up, Moseley would join them. But they are only just ahead of Plymouth, both having to play Rams and Chinnor, as well as each other.

Chester would be annoyed if it happened, as currently they are looking like being back in the North next season, with Sale looking to have pulled clear of relegation. 

If there is no relegation, Chester and Macclesfield would vie for a place in N2N.
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I really think the Championship needs to expand to 14 teams.. 


Or to play devil's advocate, 16 with 3 promotion and 2 parachuted guests
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Originally posted by Breakdown Breakdown wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I understand the Championship clubs had a meeting with the RFU yesterday, anyone heard how it went, nothing on the news about Sweeny capitulating, which is a shame lol.

RFU/Champ meeting was tense but civil, I heard. Jaw jaw not war war. 
Suspect this board is read by some media folks, as this exact turn of phrase showed up in The Rugby Paper today.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

RFU statement finally...https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rfu-statement-deadline-set-for-new-look-english-championship-plan/

29th March?
Has Bill Sweenys Messiah complex got to this stage?
Will he be paraded through Richmond with his burden of RFU leadership on his back?
Abused by 2,000 club reps?
To be sacrificed on Good Friday between two bandits? Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak.


I better go now and do some confession at Church…
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

On those terms above Wasps, Worcester and London Irish will never return.

Indeed but I think the mistake you may be making is expecting the RFU to abide by their own regulations!

The one thing that I will add is that we should keep in mind that the fans had nothing to do with the poor business practices that led to their clubs' demise. I really feel for these folks, many of whom will have seen their rugby day out as a key part of their regular social interaction.

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Rugby fans should pay more than they do now. Everyone wants something for nowt and expects someone else to pay. Sounds like a recipe for failure to me.

Tickets at most Premiership clubs are high enough. Expecting the existing supporters to pay even more is hardly the way to boost support or finances in the long-term..
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Reading through the 24 pages of this link has made me realise just how tired I am of everything to do with the top two tiers of English rugby right now. The lack of leadership at the top, the different players brought in and out every week by many of the Championship teams, and the financial difficulties of all the top clubs has totally dampened by enthusiasm. Instead, I will just focus my attention on an old-fashioned club called Wharfedale. Their squad is overwhelmingly local lads who are there for all the season, the ground is set in the midst of the wonderful Yorkshire Dales, the clubhouse oozes atmostphere, and the standard of rugby is really very good. A week last Saturday I watched them beat Otley away by 41-0, and then last Saturday I was there to watch them beat Hull Ionians by 39-19. It was a pleasure to be at both games. Everything was so simple, and I am fairly sure their finances are in good order. It was all very 1970s but such a refreshing change from all the dopey stuff going on at the top. So, until we know how many teams will be in the Championship from next season, what financial assistance will be available, whether there will be a TV sponsor, what the promotion and relegation will be, and what criteria will be needed for promotion, I will stick to enjoying the basics down in Nation League Two North.
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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

...I will stick to enjoying the basics down in Nation League Two North.

I confess a preference for National League rugby - like a pair of comfy slippersStar
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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

I will stick to enjoying the basics down in Nation League Two North.


Very well put, me too. It could be National League 1 or 2 at the moment next season due to current position in NL1 however standards in both are good.
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Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Perhaps one criteria should be a flat pitch.



  


Not sure Bedford and Caldy would be happy with that 😉
Internationals have been played at Goldington Road. I guess a guaranteed full house trumps a bit of a slope.😀

Owning your ground is key factor in my opinion.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Perhaps one criteria should be a flat pitch.



  


Not sure Bedford and Caldy would be happy with that 😉
Internationals have been played at Goldington Road. I guess a guaranteed full house trumps a bit of a slope.😀

Owning your ground is key factor in my opinion.

Technically we don’t achieve that either! It is rented for an annual rent of £15,000 from a charity owned by the council which has restrictive covenants on the land for the purpose of sport.

Although the set up of Ealing also don’t own their own ground.


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Did we ever get to discover the new minimum operating standards (MOS) promised for March 29th?
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No, but we did find out tat the deadline had slipped.
Apparently there is another meeting with the RFU today.


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https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/rfu-council-update-19-april-2024

Council update.

Sounds positive to me.  I imagine that view won't be shared by many on here.

"RFU Council has approved the following: 

The principles of a new governance structure and decision-making responsibilities for the new league – the composition of a Tier 2 Management Board will be three representatives from each of the RFU and Championship Clubs Committee with an independent Chair. The objective for the board is to create a body with independent, club and RFU representation responsible for decision-making for certain decisions relating to the league, giving it the ability to respond to the new Tier 2 specific context, while also streamlining the interactions with the delivery functions and club representations to ensure the optimal running and commercialisation of the league.  The Tier 2 Management Board will be put in place at the earliest opportunity.   

Revised and enhanced Minimum Operating Standards (MOS) driving player development, fan experience, and growth ambitions – the RFU Council today approved the ‘essential’ MOS that must be in place by the start of the 2025-26 season (see detail below).   

Aligned to the growth ambitions for the league, the standards have been divided into three categories. 

  • Essential – standards that must be in place by the start of the 2025-26 season in order to participate in the league. 

  • Phased essential - standards will be introduced to the league as determined by the Tier 2 Management Board. 

  • Aspirational – standards linking to those for the Premiership, providing clubs seeking promotion with a benchmark to work towards.   

League size and competition structure options – the RFU Council approved the principle that Tier 2 will comprise 14 clubs for season 2025-26.  

Between the April and June Council meetings further modelling around 12, 14 and 16 club league structures, balancing commercial and performance with player welfare will take place.  The precise mechanism for the selection of additional clubs will be worked on and presented at the June Council meeting. 

Whilst a 14-team structure is preferable at this stage, a 16-team option is considered to be an aspirational goal for the league’s growth and development, and additional work is required to assess the future optimum number.  Further recommendations will be brought to the June Council meeting.   

Season 2024-25 will be a Championship of 12 clubs, comprising the 11 existing Championship clubs and the winner of National One (Chinnor RFC).  

Council approved a process for existing Championship clubs to validate and evidence their ability to meet the “essential” minimum operating standards, and other matters, in order to participate in the new Tier 2 league, which will ultimately be decided by the Tier 2 Management Board. "
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