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clieves
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Wikipedia has Waterloo at 9000, although I'd imagine 6000 is nearer the mark, approx 400 seats
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Richard Lowther
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I was confused for the moment there with Birmingham and then the penny dropped- Moseley!
Otley would like to move to a new ground and I have doubts it will have anything like that number of seats at at the new location. |
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A. Gorilla
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There's your geographical spread Bill Sweeney! 25,000 seats -------------- Darlington - Falcons 5,000 capacity and > 1,000 seats -------------------------------------- Coventry - Tigers Bedford - Saints Doncaster - Sale Plymouth - Chiefs Birmingham - Warriors Scottish- Quins There was talk of Prem 2 being made up of clubs being aligned to established Prem outfits - like Scottish are to Quins. Basically copying the Yanks Major League / Minor League baseball model. See above and you're halfway there already - save for some dodgy midlands/ S. Yorks/ Lancs geography! Stranger things have happened.
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Thatbloke
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I doubt Otley would come anywhere near to obtaining a safety certificate for anything like 5000. I visited last year and yes they've got a wooden stand (fire risk) but the rest is just crumbling terracing overrun with weeds and shrubs poking through - I played there the week after the North beat the All Blacks way back and it doesn't look to have changed one jot. It doesn't look to have had any money spent on it in the last 25 years (but why would you if hoping to move to a new ground?) No offence or disrespect to Otley intended - great club!!
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FHLH
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When is a brand not a brand?
If Wasps are a key brand, then head and shoulders above are:
but key brands do not include:
Think on Billy! |
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Camquin
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You forgot Wakefield.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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FHLH
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It was on my list ..... |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Coventrian Man
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Coventry have slightly under 3,000 seats (circa 2,850)
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NeverbeentoChinnor
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Waterloo was in my head this morning when thinking of North-West clubs with a decent crowd capacity. I was there (I'm not Max) when they beat the Barbarians in their centenary year in the early 80s beating a team that had Graham Mourie and Murray Mexted in the back row. Big Jim Syddall was playing for Waterloo along with Alan Simpson at fly-half.
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seagoon
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Waterloo? FFS They currently play at level SIX! Doubt that they have had a crowd of over 1000 for MANY years
I thought that we were wanting a meritocracy, not dragging up clubs from 4 levels below the Championship
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FHLH
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I was trying to demonstrate the foolishness of using the term "brand"
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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clieves
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I was just pointing out the facilities they have at their disposal ....
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NeverbeentoChinnor
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Edited by NeverbeentoChinnor - 17 Jan 2024 at 20:32 |
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Richard Lowther
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Re 'Brands'. One of the reasons Football has been a success is the continuation of an open gangway that allows successful clubs to rise and failing clubs to fall. It values no one club above another (although the 'big five' English clubs have a high opinion of themselves). This jeopardy of relegation and the prospect of promotion up the pyramid creates interests. Interest drives support, sponsorship and media coverage. Rugby should be learning from these lessons.
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Toulouse
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Paul10
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I think it's football that is the exception.
No other sport has promotions and relegations to the same extent. Plenty of sports thrive without.
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Richard Lowther
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I disagree. Only the indoor team sports of Basketball and Ice Hockey don't have promotion and relegation at the elite level - they tend to at lower levels. Looking at the constant churn of clubs in both these sports you could question if they would benefit from the introduction of an open gangway. Field Hockey again has leagues - they tend to more regionalised. Cricket has a league for the County Championship, T20 and Hundred. Rugby League has leagues - but has raised the drawbridge for their top level. |
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Paul10
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I'm not with you. A finite number. Rather like Irish rugby.
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billesleyexile
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not really, they've just made promotion and relegation mindbendingly complicated, and not just down to performance on the pitch. Put it this way, next season you wouldn't want to be London Broncos - who are virtually certainly relegated from SuperLeague without kicking a ball, or Leigh, who must also be looking nervous despite winning the Challenge Cup and getting into the Grand Final playoffs last season. On the other hand, in the Championship, Wakefield Trinity can pretty much afford to plan for life in SuperLeague after next season is done and dusted, and Toulouse won't be far behind. There's still P&R, just not as we - or to be fair anyone else in the universe to date - know it! If the alternative was a closed shop, I'd actually rather we brought in the same arrangement in English RU.
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keep the faith
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