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rugbychris
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Posted: 22 Feb 2024 at 09:16 |
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Imagine what might happen if rugby supporters could get behind a common cause and make a positive change https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68362884
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rugbychris
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Interesting to see how German football fans are reacting to the possibility of private equity firms purchasing future broadcasting rights. CVC are now the last remaining bidder. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68327140
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Greg
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Thank you, Tigerburnie, for this link. I suggest that you all put aside 1 hour and watch the whole programme. For those of us old enough to remember the game over that period it is heartwarming. Listen to Cliff Morgan's comments on the style of play he most admired (Cliff, himself, was a wonderful fly half - a predecessor to Phil Bennett, Barry John et al). The quality of the game then was different but not worse than what we watch/play today. Today, at the top level, the quality of the pitches is better, the players are fitter, the game is faster. Yesteryear the game enjoyed more skilful creativity and less crash bang wallop. Scrummaging took far less time and required the ball to be put in straight meaning that hookers had a proper job to do. I'm getting all misty-eyed now so will close.
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SK 88
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If you click the "share" button with the video at the point you want it start, then click "start at XX:XX" in the pop up window (it will be below the box with the link in) the link generated will take you to the bit you want.
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tigerburnie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQ_b9zM67s
This is an old program from rugby special at 30 years old, I tried to get it onto a video editor to give you just the relevant bit, but failed, bit of a luddite here. Nigel Starmer Smith was talking about the future of the game in the professional era, right near the end if you want skip rough the program, someone should send a copy to the RFU.
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tigerburnie
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The trouble is "shameritism "has gone on since Noah was a lad, people will always cheat to get an edge, just look at Saracens and Bath in the amateur days.
The game below the Championship is of little or no interest to the RFU which is why it is working so well. There is little reason for the RFU to touch the National leagues as they no longer contribute much to this part of the game. A properly run top two leagues with decent funding and support will keep the RFU more than busy along with the National team.
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SK 88
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Premiership fan here. I think this is a great idea and should definitely be on the agenda. The RFU tries to do everything and therefore fails at everything. A new settlement where the true amateur participation games looks after itself, as does the nationwide semi pro game & finally the professional game. If clubs want to pay players they should be regulated differently to true amateurs and if they want to pay them enough to be full time employers they should be stiffer tests again. Personally I'd perhaps just sell off a stake in Twickenham & retain the amateur clubs owning 60% of it as ongoing income, but yeah I think seperating out functions would be a genuinely good idea.
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FHLH
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Also the rights to play games £££
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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A. Gorilla
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I'm still new to this forum, what assets are we talking about selling off? It's only really Twickers that's of great value.
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WEvans
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You surely cannot be serious with your highlighted comment but even if you are then you could still stop insulting people who think otherwise.
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rugbychris
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Representatives from 21 teams formed the RFU c150 years ago. Lausanne, Gipsies, Clapham rovers, flamingoes etc The RFU was created by the clubs. Now c2000 clubs exist without any direct contact or consultation with the governing body on the future or direction of the game. Intentional or not the RFU is no longer fit for purpose.
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Big Eddie
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I don't fundamentally disagree John. However, if there is to be a basis for changing the rules and the structures which isn't based on merit put the arguments to the member clubs and pass a threshold which should be at least 50% but more reasonably 66% or 75% Otherwise let merit decide who goes into Premiership II and it shouldn't include any of the clubs who went so spectacularly bust. If there is promotion and relegation the playing field will decide on the continuing composition of Premiership II and it should decide on the composition of the Premiership as well
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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JohnLowe
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Don’t you think we are at risk of conflating two different subjects. I, for one, am totally against clubs who have gone bust being parachuting into a new Premiership 2 (sorry Islander), whilst at the same time, recognising the need to turn it (if possible) into a high standard operation playing in good, well supported facilities within a commercially successful, viable structure that can best serve English rugby, both internationally and domestically, going forward. Sadly I don’t think that the RFU’s current proposals do that.
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Big Eddie
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I don't disagree Dad. However, as others have said there are a multitude of problems and issues that beset the circa 2,000 clubs in differing ways. Until there is a unity of purpose then King Billy is safe in his castle where he reigns supreme because there is absolutely no effective voice that can challenge him. The one thing that should bind all clubs is that they all own the RFU which I believe is conservatively worth £1bn plus. If the clubs believe that their £500k share of this value is going to be or could be appropriated by the Professional Game and its private equity partner CVC wouldn't that galvanise their thinking? Edited by Big Eddie - 11 Jan 2024 at 17:02 |
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Dad
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For what it is worth I think everyone on here thinks the governance stinks, but if you are going to get change especially with the aforementioned block voting of the forces/oxbridge you need to engage pretty much every other voter
That means a simple clearly explained problem/how it affects your club/solution that chimes with lv10 old farts rfc and ambitious Nat1 teams
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Big Eddie
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Fair comment in some ways Richard.
I accept that there are different problems in different areas and in the case of Berkshire from what Berksrugby and Dad have put forward that County seems to be bucking the trend as far as participation is concerned. However for me there is one huge problem that affects every club below the Premiership and that is the lack of accountability and democracy within the RFU which is led by an unelected Executive Management which in my view is leading the sport into the hands of Private Equity. If the RFU acted in the way of a Limited Company (which in its latest accounts it professes that it does) then any significant decision would require the consent of 50% of the shareholders and any really important decision the consent of 75% of the shareholders. Seismic changes in the way that the game of rugby is structured in England can be passed by the say so of the unelected board. This is what I fervently object to. If such seismic changes needed a 75% or even a 66% majority of all the clubs in England I would have no complaints because that would be democratic. I have set out what I believe is the value of the RFU being £1bn + and this is owned by all the circa 2,000 clubs in the UK. At present the very significant majority of this value is used to support the Professional Game and if unchecked I believe all of this value will be ceded for no compensation to the Professional Game and its private equity partner CVC. If a 75% or 66% majority of the circa 2,000 clubs are content for this to happen who am I to rail against it. In these circumstances such an outcome would be democratic. |
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Richard Lowther
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This would never pass a root cause analysis. You are working on a premises that because X has a problem, Y and Z must also have the same problem and therefore if we solve Xs problem we have also solved Y and Z problem. The fact is there are many problems and different parts of the game have different issues. You are taking the proverbial sledgehammer to crack a nut when sometimes to need to apply a scalpel. 1.Championship clubs have an issue around the structure of the competition going forward. Almost zero Impact on rest of members clubs, then only those clubs looking at promotion into second tier. 2.National 1 clubs have an issue about splitting the league. General impact, a reorganisation of the league structure, happens almost every other season and the game goes one. Some would say it's an occupational hazard. 4.RFU governance/distribution of RFU money to Premiership clubs. This is a potentially large issue but you are failing miserably to sell the problem to the likes of Old Farts RFC who don't see any effect to them ad they never got any money anyway and most decisions at their level is taken by the County and not the upper echelon of the game. It is these clubs that you need to influence and identify with them and their concerns and I'll tell you now it is not the first two points but you seem to want to lump them together. That's an immediate switch off. . |
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Dad
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I took it to mean "a single identifiable problem"
As in define the problem to plan a solution Maybe in Berks we have different issues to others, Bracknell run 4 mens teams in the leagues, Reading 3 + a vets, Rams did have 4 but think they have dropped one through lack of space (they have stopped all further mini and jnr registration. We also as a county have no rfu agp at all, we either have to rent the (aging) one at Maidenhead rfc or find a school with one. We are a small CB with less travel than a lot and a good mix of teams from as has been said the likes of Shire Hall (the ex Berks county Council social club team that has outlasted the council) via Reading, Bracknell, Maids & Newbury to Rams with other community clubs like Reading Abbey, Windsor and Hungerford as well. We also have 2 women's champ teams (Abbey & Newbury) plus Henley a stones throw away with Quins and Trail finders women a short journey away. Our issues are more to do with teenagers (both sexes) being siphoned off to colleges/academies with promise of riches, leaving clubs with a smaller conveyor into snr teams
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Berksrugby
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Original post edited - just for absolute clarity, and for the benefit of those finding this all a bit too much to grasp. Apologies Big Eddie, my computer illiteracy prevents me from knowing how to type in your preferred Comrade Red font. N.B. I really do think it would be good to move on from this 'back and forth' that someone else described it as. I'll therefore refrain from any further posts on this topic.
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Big Eddie
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Really?? The game of rugby is in deep trouble on all fronts.
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