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    Posted: 20 Mar 2024 at 09:31
The welsh waterboy (Neil Jenkins, who you'd think would know better but he was never shy of dishing it out) will likely face a pitch ban.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 20:11
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

I don’t think the top referees pay any attention to what the team’s captain says and if it’s not the captain speaking will tell the player to keep his gob shut or he’s off for 10

True. Just like how the ref in the Italy-Wales game told the Welsh waterboy to shut up or he'd be sent off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 14:25
I don’t think the top referees pay any attention to what the team’s captain says and if it’s not the captain speaking will tell the player to keep his gob shut or he’s off for 10

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 12:44
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Former international ref Rob Debney wrote in Times yesterday that the TMO intervention for Ben Earl tackle in 78th minute on FRAvENG was "beyond a joke"
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My concern with that call is the TMO interjecting without being asked.  Are we reaching the point where the game is refereed by a team of three sitting in front of a bank of screens and feeding the decisions to someone on the pitch whose only role is to relay the messages?

Well we have a good few players who operate that way so .... 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 08:51
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Former international ref Rob Debney wrote in Times yesterday that the TMO intervention for Ben Earl tackle in 78th minute on FRAvENG was "beyond a joke"
It's funny, Andy Goode tweeted something similar on Saturday night, and about 90% of the replies disagreed with him.  Personally I think it's pretty clear that Earl hasn't used his arms and therefore the decision is the correct one.

My concern with that call is the TMO interjecting without being asked.  Are we reaching the point where the game is refereed by a team of three sitting in front of a bank of screens and feeding the decisions to someone on the pitch whose only role is to relay the messages?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 08:39
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Some contentious TMO decisions this 6 nations. Obviously the Scotland France was the main one but 2 in the Ireland v Scotland game which were probably 99% tries 
If the referee cannot award the try because he cannot see a definite grounding. Then he should say so and leave it to the TMO to decide. Not say the on field decision is NO TRY leaving his mate the TMO to overrule him That’s what all the cameras are there for   If the TMO is 90% certain it’s a try then the attacking side should be awarded the try. 

Former international ref Rob Debney wrote in Times yesterday that the TMO intervention for Ben Earl tackle in 78th minute on FRAvENG was "beyond a joke"
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Some contentious TMO decisions this 6 nations. Obviously the Scotland France was the main one but 2 in the Ireland v Scotland game which were probably 99% tries 
If the referee cannot award the try because he cannot see a definite grounding. Then he should say so and leave it to the TMO to decide. Not say the on field decision is NO TRY leaving his mate the TMO to overrule him That’s what all the cameras are there for   If the TMO is 90% certain it’s a try then the attacking side should be awarded the try. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 19:08
Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:


Whatever people's views of the RFU and management of the game (covered extensively in other forum threads) the last 2 weeks' showing have excited me again about England rugby, well done to them.
Great post mate I'll second this one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nat1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 15:30
Good point. I wonder if a change of tact is on the horizon though. England U20 starting fly half vs France was George Makepeace-Cubitt, who plays for Rams in Nat 1 and is not DR with any professional club since Irish folded.

With more senior England players perhaps destined to play league rugby abroad and therefore not eligible to play for England, there may be more room for youngsters to step up. Going to be an interesting few years for the home nations before the 2027 RWC in Oz.
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Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Yes you have to feel for players like him, being plagued by injury for years. I'm confident that he would have been a mainstay at 12 fo England over most of his career. Lawrence has elements of Tuilagi to him also, definitely some talented players in the squad, not to mention a whole U20 6N winning team of players waiting in the wings.

The key is getting those Under 20s game time at their clubs so they can continue to develop and that's where both Ireland and France have an advantage. Ireland because they have control over the clubs and France because they seem to be picking up far more games at pro club level. 
So true, but we all know the majority will sit around the prem clubs for a year or three, then get picked up by Champ clubs when discarded 


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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Yes you have to feel for players like him, being plagued by injury for years. I'm confident that he would have been a mainstay at 12 fo England over most of his career. Lawrence has elements of Tuilagi to him also, definitely some talented players in the squad, not to mention a whole U20 6N winning team of players waiting in the wings.

The key is getting those Under 20s game time at their clubs so they can continue to develop and that's where both Ireland and France have an advantage. Ireland because they have control over the clubs and France because they seem to be picking up far more games at pro club level. 
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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Agreed, I hope they go out every time and play with that fearless 'take it to them' factor, home or away and whoever the opposition. They are starting to back themselves, which they absolutely should, and it gets the fans behind them. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I'd rather see England go for it and lose, than play negatively and try to 'hold on' through their matches.

Last time Care and Tuilagi might play for England, many caps between them, and but for a lot of injuries, Tuilagi would be a centurion also. Lawrence looked very good in attack last night, combining nicely with Slade. Maybe a solid centre partnership has finally been found!

Whatever people's views of the RFU and management of the game (covered extensively in other forum threads) the last 2 weeks' showing have excited me again about England rugby, well done to them.

You would also hope that long term replacements for Cole and Marler are going to come through ahead of the 2027 RWC.
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Yes you have to feel for players like him, being plagued by injury for years. I'm confident that he would have been a mainstay at 12 fo England over most of his career. Lawrence has elements of Tuilagi to him also, definitely some talented players in the squad, not to mention a whole U20 6N winning team of players waiting in the wings.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 12:09
Read a stat this week that if Tuilagi had been fit/available/selected for every game since his debut, he would have 158 by now - 98 more than the actual number…
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Agreed, I hope they go out every time and play with that fearless 'take it to them' factor, home or away and whoever the opposition. They are starting to back themselves, which they absolutely should, and it gets the fans behind them. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I'd rather see England go for it and lose, than play negatively and try to 'hold on' through their matches.

Last time Care and Tuilagi might play for England, many caps between them, and but for a lot of injuries, Tuilagi would be a centurion also. Lawrence looked very good in attack last night, combining nicely with Slade. Maybe a solid centre partnership has finally been found!

Whatever people's views of the RFU and management of the game (covered extensively in other forum threads) the last 2 weeks' showing have excited me again about England rugby, well done to them.


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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

England don't have a good reputation of consistency with wingers or even a game plan to use them, he would get better remaining Welsh. 

I think that ENGLAND turned a corner and scored some outstanding tries out wide. They could have won last night against France . 
They were widely described as the poorest England team ever and then they overwhelm Ireland who were equally described as the best team in the World  ( not my opinion )

I have been lucky enough to attend both of England's last 2 games (just on train from Rennes to St Malo now) and it's been amazing to see - joyous rugby, outscoring both Ireland & France (RWC favourites 6 months ago) in tries, and also Ireland where it counted = the scoreboard. And we have moved on so far in style from the conservative - but effective - RWC style which got us through a (fairly easy) group with plenty to spare and almost past the eventual champions before 'winning' a bronze medal.

The squad seemed to take great offence at people having described what they saw - "poorest ever" may have been harsh, but we won 2/5 games in 6N three tournaments running. And then got turned over at 'HQ' by Fiji. The critical comments were deserved IMHO, but also served to motivate the squad, who embellished them to light fires in bellies (eg "no-one gave us a chance of getting out of our RWC group" is a claim I'm pretty sure no-one actually made). Amazing turn-around - I just hope we can keep it on track and don't get badly cuffed in NZ in a couple of month, at end of very long season (he said, getting an excuse in early! Wink)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 10:33
Fine margins. 10 of the 15 matches ended within 4 points. Wales lost 3 matches by 3 points or less 
What if he had kicked that penalty or the referee had penalised the scrum differently. 
All in all some cracking matches 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 09:43
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

England don't have a good reputation of consistency with wingers or even a game plan to use them, he would get better remaining Welsh. 

I think that ENGLAND turned a corner and scored some outstanding tries out wide. They could have won last night against France . 
They were widely described as the poorest England team ever and then they overwhelm Ireland who were equally described as the best team in the World  ( not my opinion )
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Italy now 8th in World Rankings - above Australia and Wales 
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