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Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

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Peter O'Mahony named Ireland captain following Johnny Sexton's retirement

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Forwards: Ryan Baird, Finlay Bealham, Tadhg Beirne, Jack Conan, Caelan Doris, Tadhg Furlong, Cian Healy, Iain Henderson, Ronan Kelleher, Jeremy Loughman, Joe McCarthy, Peter O'Mahony (capt), Tom O'Toole, Andrew Porter, James Ryan, Dan Sheehan, Tom Stewart, Nick Timoney, Josh van der Flier.

Backs: Bundee Aki, Harry Byrne, Craig Casey, Jack Crowley, Ciaran Frawley, Jamison Gibson-Park, Robbie Henshaw, Hugo Keenan, Jordan Larmour, James Lowe, Stuart McCloskey, Conor Murray, Calvin Nash, Garry Ringrose, Jacob Stockdale.

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Gregory Alldritt replaces absent Antoine Dupont as captain

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Forwards: Cyril Baille, Reda Wardi, Sebastien Taofifenua, Dorian Aldegheri, Uini Atonio, Thomas Laclayat, Julien Marchand, Peato Mauvaka, Gaetan Barlot, Emmanuel Meafou, Romain Taofifenua, Cameron Woki, Paul Gabrillagues, Matthias Halagahu, Gregory Alldritt, Francois Cros, Anthony Jelonch, Charles Ollivon, Esteban Abadie, Paul Boudehent.

Backs: Nolann Le Garrec, Maxime Lucu, Antoine Gibert, Matthieu Jalibert, Jonathan Danty, Nicolas Depoortere, Gael Fickou, Yoram Moefana, Emilien Gailleton, Louis Bielle-Biarrey, Damian Penaud, Matthis Lebel, Melvyn Jaminet, Thomas Ramos.
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watching the Edinburgh v Gloucester match at the weekend, the Scottish commentators mentioned Zach Mercer switching allegiance to Scotland several times.

The basis for this being he lived in Scotland for a number of years as a youth.

However, as far as I can see, he could only play for a country that he or his parents/grandparents were born in?

He was born in England, his dad in New Zealand- I couldn't see any information about his mother or grandparents.



According to his Wikipedia entry Mercer lived in Scotland from the age of 8 and became Scottish-qualified through residency and appeared for the Scotland U16 team.  He was also in the Glasgow Warriors academy prior to joining Bath.

Thought I'd also check the inevitable list of England players born outside of this sceptic isle.



I knew this, what I cannot see is anything that says you can swap countries to one you have lived in, only one you or parents/grandparents was born in
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

* Uncapped



Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

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Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He certainly has a lot to learn and will improve but I think we have seen far less talented attacking wingers playing for England recently with no better and in some cases worse defensive skills.
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Quote Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He's barely played 20 matches of pro rugby.
I expect him to get a game or two.

He's v quick. But which 6 nations winger isn't?


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Quote Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He's barely played 20 matches of pro rugby.
I expect him to get a game or two.

He's v quick. But which 6 nations winger isn't?

This is where the old system of County games/Divisional matches, international trial games, A/B internationals would weed out those that aren't ready for the top. 

Now a days it does feel that every English qualified player in the Premiership gets the chance to play for England. Confused


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Ethan Roots is the odd one.
Really?
I watched him play lots of games for Ospreys and at no stage did I think, "is he welsh?
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

* Uncapped



Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.


He certainly has a lot to learn and will improve but I think we have seen far less talented attacking wingers playing for England recently with no better and in some cases worse defensive skills.


Unless the England gameplay changes dramatically, wingers will only be required to defend, chase kicks and be good in the air.

Not sure he fits these requirements.
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Zach Mercer must be disappointed, surely a better player than Roots and Dombrant.
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BBC certainly think so: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68023982
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Not leaving any doubt there is he?

Not convinced he's better than those in the squad.

He's an out and out 8 isn't he?

When playing in the same team as Faletau it was Faletau who played flanker.
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All this speculation of who is good or not for the England squad is basically opinion.
My opinion is who is bothered.
Total boring .. let's see how far I can kick it before it's returned and lets see if i can kick it further when i kick it back.
I know ... let's play to see if we can't lose before let's see if we can win .
Forget it boys .. you are hoodwinked every season.
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Have to agree with that Carlos but surely there's much more to it than that. To add to the kick tennis (or Drive back as we used to call it as kids) we have scrums that have to be reset virtually every time they pack down and are no longer scrums but competition to win penalties. And, of course, let's not forget Bingo Ball, otherwise known as the box kick lottery
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Kyle Sinkler to Toulon - has left Bristol 
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

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Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.


He certainly has a lot to learn and will improve but I think we have seen far less talented attacking wingers playing for England recently with no better and in some cases worse defensive skills.


Unless the England gameplay changes dramatically, wingers will only be required to defend, chase kicks and be good in the air.

Not sure he fits these requirements.

Fair point. Not sure any wingers worth their salt fit that job description. Most stupidly think scoring tries is their main purpose!
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Kyle Sinkler to Toulon - has left Bristol 

I hadn't noticed he wasn't in the squad.
That news might explain unless there's an injury.
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Fair point. Not sure any wingers worth their salt fit that job description. Most stupidly think scoring tries is their main purpose!
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Plenty manage both just fine.
Anthony Watson is a recent very good example for England.


Kicking is part of thr variety of the game. The offside law could be tweaked to force players in front to retreat which would make space.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Fair point. Not sure any wingers worth their salt fit that job description. Most stupidly think scoring tries is their main purpose!

Plenty manage both just fine.
Anthony Watson is a recent very good example for England.


Kicking is part of thr variety of the game. The offside law could be tweaked to force players in front to retreat which would make space.
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I'm not arguing. My point was that no winger worth his (or her) salt would fit a job description that only included defending, chasing kicks and being good in the air.
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