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    Posted: 06 Feb 2024 at 16:31

I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.

I think this depends on your definition of amateur to be honest. For example if expenses are paid at what point do you move from amateur to professional? 

When I played I was a true amateur. No one sensible would have paid for my services and I paid all my own expenses and bought my own kit. I doubt the same is true of the Hull Ionians senior players and quite rightly so if people are paying to watch them play.  


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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.


I think this depends on your definition of amateur to be honest. For example if expenses are paid at what point do you move from amateur to professional? 

When I played I was a true amateur. No one sensible would have paid for my services and I paid all my own expenses and bought my own kit. I doubt the same is true of the Hull Ionians senior players and quite rightly so if people are paying to watch them play.  



When the expenses are grossly exaggerated?
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For any properly run club expenses cannot be grossly inflated as governed by HMRC rules and if not adhering then it is a payment ( in kind) and therefore taxable income.
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I paid subs to get a shoeing when wrongly accused of being on the wrong side of a ruck.............Wink
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I would suggest replace Amateur with Part time and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Richard,
With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper. 


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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

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With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper. 

You miss the point entirely. 
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If a player is on a contract but only paid a match fee  is that.semi-pro.
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Depends how big the fee is, doesn't it?

If it's a 2nd job type fee then, yes, semi-pro.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Depends how big the fee is, doesn't it?

If it's a 2nd job type fee then, yes, semi-pro.


A contract requires a quid pro quo, in Rugby presumably payment for playing, so the size of the fee is irrelevant, it's the fact you are getting any fee that tips you into the professional sphere.

The Semi part would come in under this dictionary definition "receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living" 
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I'm guessing in National 1,no players are fully professional,perhaps have full time jobs ,so match fees could be pocket money to cover travel to club for training and games.
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I thought Rosslyn Parks players were  pro and full time, not sure why I thought that, sure someone on here said so, of the others I'm not sure. Not all the Championship are full time pro either are they? The Lions  say on their Pitchero site, that they are a semi pro side, what ever that entails.
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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.


I think this depends on your definition of amateur to be honest. For example if expenses are paid at what point do you move from amateur to professional? 

When I played I was a true amateur. No one sensible would have paid for my services and I paid all my own expenses and bought my own kit. I doubt the same is true of the Hull Ionians senior players and quite rightly so if people are paying to watch them play.  



When the expenses are grossly exaggerated?

Yes Ashley that was what I meant.
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

Richard,
With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper. 

You miss the point entirely. 

Quite correct Richard.

Over the years, Yogi's Club have repeatedly 'missed the point entirely' when it comes to paying players.
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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.

Joe also mentioned Hull Ionians 2ndXV, the Ramblers team, the Senior Womens team, the very successful Mini Junior Section and the army of Club volunteers.
Have you anything to say on those points?
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Here we go - get ready for some East Yorkshire tit-for-tat banter!! 😂😂
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