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Originally posted by Archangel Archangel wrote:

So as Syston is in Leicestershire makes (RFU) sense they will go the L1SE instead of Nuns! Though Banbury & Kenilworth remain outside bets. North Walsham now in that league does change the shape and mileage somewhat

Yes I think that is quite likely, along with Stoke going North and maybe one other "natural" Midlands sides possibly going North.

No doubt the RFU computer, along with Google Maps, is working out the best options for all 6 level 5 leagues as we we discuss it. 

Not to mention we also have the fight between Royal Wooton Bassett and Marlborough  scrapping over who goes to Kent in R1SC and who goes to Cornwall in R1SW.
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Originally posted by Archangel Archangel wrote:

So as Syston is in Leicestershire makes (RFU) sense they will go the L1SE instead of Nuns! Though Banbury & Kenilworth remain outside bets. North Walsham now in that league does change the shape and mileage somewhat

Yes I think that is quite likely, along with Stoke going North and maybe one other "natural" Midlands sides possibly going North.

No doubt the RFU computer, along with Google Maps, is working out the best options for all 6 level 5 leagues as we we discuss it. 
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So as Syston is in Leicestershire makes (RFU) sense they will go the L1SE instead of Nuns! Though Banbury & Kenilworth remain outside bets. North Walsham now in that league does change the shape and mileage somewhat
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Its a very good point because I forsee similar issues in the South because in South Central Horsham and Bournemouth going down and Havant going up, coming into the league it looks like Jersey, Amersham/Chiltern and Alleynians or Battersea with Wimbledon coming down. Even more complicated is that Royal Wootton Bassett who were in the league last year are also coming up from 2 Severn 

Given South East seems to be turning into Eastern Counties/South-Midlands (since it seems the RFU don't like paying Dartford Tolls), I guess you may find some of the southern Midlands teams ending up in South East. (Nuneaton being the obvious candidate?) 
Nuneaton is the most central of Midlands rugby clubs (if you accept the newer thinking of Lindley Hall Farm being the centre of England). (And if you don't, and still consider my Gt Grandfather's birthplace, Meriden to be the centre, it's north of that).
The centre of England and indeed the planet is in Leicestershire, thought everyone knew that.....................Wink
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I just hope they get the new leagues out sooner rather than later. Even if its just to announce which teams are where (but the fixtures will be a bonus!)
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I'm sure the make-up of the leagues for 24/25 will be sorted soon, at least (compared with this time yesterday) it's known who finished in what position. Getting the structure sorted will always be challenging, the glory of sport is not knowing what'll happen in advance, and by the same token it's not scripted which clubs from which part of an area will go up or down once the music's stopped, hence the need to balance it all out at the end of the season: a necessary but sometimes complex process...
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Originally posted by cobbler cobbler wrote:

Originally posted by Not Will Webb Ellis Not Will Webb Ellis wrote:

Well!
I’ve taken a look at this forum for the first time in a while. Seeing the speculation and the educated guesses I can officially say the system in my opinion is a mess and now my brain hurts. 
I reckon a few of us are viewing or commenting  for the first time in a while!
Same here. LOL
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Originally posted by Not Will Webb Ellis Not Will Webb Ellis wrote:

Well!
I’ve taken a look at this forum for the first time in a while. Seeing the speculation and the educated guesses I can officially say the system in my opinion is a mess and now my brain hurts. 
I reckon a few of us are viewing or commenting  for the first time in a while!
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Well!
I’ve taken a look at this forum for the first time in a while. Seeing the speculation and the educated guesses I can officially say the system in my opinion is a mess and now my brain hurts. 
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Thank you Robb for the prompt response.
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Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

Help please.
Does anybody know how many teams will be relegated from Level 6 (Regional Anglia 2)?
Living in Norwich, my two local clubs - North Walsham and Norwich - are both facing relegation from their respective leagues.
North Walsham will certainly be relegated but Norwich might survive if they can win on Saturday - but only if one team is relegated.
It's not been a great year over here - Norfolk County Cricket Club were also relegated at the end of their season.
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I think according to the RFU's table, it looks like Norwich are out of contention for the "lucky loser" spot. Sorry.
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Help please.
Does anybody know how many teams will be relegated from Level 6 (Regional Anglia 2)?
Living in Norwich, my two local clubs - North Walsham and Norwich - are both facing relegation from their respective leagues.
North Walsham will certainly be relegated but Norwich might survive if they can win on Saturday - but only if one team is relegated.
It's not been a great year over here - Norfolk County Cricket Club were also relegated at the end of their season.
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Originally posted by Archangel Archangel wrote:

Regional 1 South East which worked very well this season, should have been be relatively simple: Colchester go up to L4 to replace North Walsham coming down, Westcliff & Rochford Hundred go down to L6 with Southend Saxons coming up along with Amersham & Chiltern (very close to Tring etc) ... but that was before they go and lose to Belzise Park!

Therefore before it is no doubt changed by our TW masters should look like:

North Walsham
Sudbury
Harpenden
Letchworth Garden City
Shelford
Oundle
Old Northamptonians
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Hertford
Bedford Athletic
Southend Saxons
Amersham & Chiltern/Belsize Park

In theory, everything should work out fine like that. But I do suspect there may be issues in Central/SW with Woottoon Bassett returning because in Central it should be Havant up/Wimbledon down and Horsham/Bournemouth down and Jersey/Alleynians or Battersea up. 

I guess RWB'll just have to fight with Marlborough to decide who goes to Kent and who has to go to Cornwall at the longest trip. (Looking at Google Maps, I think RWB will go SW and Marlborough stay in Central). 

But, as you say. Its not up to our logic, its the powers that be at Twickers who decide the fate and travel of so many clubs.
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Agree with those who point out that a 'whole country' solution is needed at each level, with the total number of clubs divided equally into 3 leagues (at L4), 6 (L5) etc. And some form of rebalancing (via level transfers) will always be something liable to be necessary with a pyramid system, however broad or narrow it is...
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My understanding was that it is not a case of promotion / relegation between the specific leagues, but completely re-drawing the leagues every year once the 72 teams at Regional 1 level are known.
In practice, the leagues may look similar from one season to the next, but in theory they could come up with a completely different geographical split each year. So in reality, looking at how any specific league may look next season is not really a valid proposition until after the end of the season.


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Originally posted by Golden Jackal Golden Jackal wrote:

So do we think the RFU responding to clubs at Lower Levels by flattening the pyramid at the top (i.e 3 Leagues at L4, 8 at L5 etc) has helped our clubs???  To me it seems far more complicated now and for those clubs that "border" other regions it must be very disconcerting...   What was wrong with London 1, Nat 2 South, Nat 1 for example...you knew where you stood and the likely distances involved!


Well there were always instances in the past of teams being moved away from what might be considered their "natural" league (used to be called level transfers). But with this setup up:

3 L4 leagues - none specifically for midlands
6 level 5 leagues - only one specifically for midlands (i.e. labelled as such)
12 level 6 leagues - 3 specifically for midlands

The chances seems to be much higher.
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So do we think the RFU responding to clubs at Lower Levels by flattening the pyramid at the top (i.e 3 Leagues at L4, 8 at L5 etc) has helped our clubs???  To me it seems far more complicated now and for those clubs that "border" other regions it must be very disconcerting...   What was wrong with London 1, Nat 2 South, Nat 1 for example...you knew where you stood and the likely distances involved!
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Its a very good point because I forsee similar issues in the South because in South Central Horsham and Bournemouth going down and Havant going up, coming into the league it looks like Jersey, Amersham/Chiltern and Alleynians or Battersea with Wimbledon coming down. Even more complicated is that Royal Wootton Bassett who were in the league last year are also coming up from 2 Severn 

Given South East seems to be turning into Eastern Counties/South-Midlands (since it seems the RFU don't like paying Dartford Tolls), I guess you may find some of the southern Midlands teams ending up in South East. (Nuneaton being the obvious candidate?) 
Nuneaton is the most central of Midlands rugby clubs (if you accept the newer thinking of Lindley Hall Farm being the centre of England). (And if you don't, and still consider my Gt Grandfather's birthplace, Meriden to be the centre, it's north of that).
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That's fine in isolation - but if there are lots of Midlands teams at L5 and a big hole across West Sussex, Hampshire and Dorset (as alluded to above) then the boundaries could all be shifted anti-clockwise by 30 degrees to redraw the line of best fit.

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