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First - A Disclaimer! Not sure if I'm posting in the right thread??
It would appear that, barring a 120odd point victory for Blackburn at Manchester today, it will be Lymm who seem to be celebrating already their "promotion to NAT2 North"
I think everyone acknowledges that NAT2 West will be 1 club short next season and whilst everyone is suggesting that will be Chester, Lymm although a few miles further north are more conveniently situated to the motorway network to head west. Just throwing it out there!?!? 
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

How will level 4 not be affected, if the plans for levels 1-3 go ahead then Level 3 will be 2 leagues of 14 less 5 relegated from Level 2. So level 3 will need an extra 11 teams from Level 4. How would 3 leagues at level 4 promote into two leagues at level 3 surely the logical option would be two leagues at level 4 North and Midlands 2 leagues South East and South West feeding into Nat 3 North and Nat 3 South or an I being too logical.
I think Halliford's point is that there will be no further reorganisation below L3. Your earlier poster suggested four leagues at L4 and eight at L5, but he's saying that there has been no discussion about restructuring these leagues.
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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

All of the discussions I have been involved in suggest that only Levels 1-3 will be affected. Level 4 and below are expected to stay as they are.

so you'd have three leagues at level 4 feeding 2 at level 3? Madness.
The discussions were National League Clubs, not the RFU. I agree that 3 feeding to 2 could be awkward unless 3 came down which could be done through playoffs. There is a desire not to dilute Levels 3 and 4 by making them too big and bringing up too many weaker teams which could produce mismatches. 

Yes, it’s a camel, a horse designed by a Committee but we aren’t starting with a blank sheet.
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If you want to keep it competitive, keep it as 14 or 16 teams.
If you want to reduce travel by splitting it North / south, there will be more teams and it will be diluted.

This is simple cake eating logic.
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It’s impossible to keep this thread away from including the top of the pyramid.

If the current top three tiers go from 37 teams (11, 12 and 14) to 48 teams (10, 10 and 2 x 14) that has a huge knock on.

As it is the structure for 2023-24 isn’t crystal clear yet in the Championship regardless of who wins the thing.
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If they go for relegation in the Championship and No Promotion then the league becomes 11+ Wasps + Nat 1 winners = 13 teams not sure how then you would have a cup competition as it would equate to 24 League matches with one team resting every week plus a cup 6 games (not sure how you deal with the extra team) making 30 games plus a semi and final making two teams playing 32 games in the season. How would that fit in with the attempt to reduce the amount of rugby time players are playing. Surely it would be better to have no relegation and a 14 team league with no Cup which equals 26 competitive games. In reality the Championship cup pointless waste of time with most clubs simply resting players especially those who have no hope of getting into the semis.
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I believe there is talk of a 24 team cup, 11+13 With 6 pool games played in the international windows.

So the Premiership get 20 league games, 6 cup games, 4 European games, plus knock out gams.
The Championship get 24 league games and 6 cup games, and are not expected to reach the knock out stages.

And it is only for this season.
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