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    Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 10:32
Back in my playing days most clubs had a colts side, indeed apart from Leicester Tigers I think there were around 40 clubs in the county that had these sides, have they gone?
I know there's lot's of under age groups right up to international level, but are there leagues for the games future or is it just the odd friendly? For the game to really prosper against a back ground of state schools selling playing fields for housing, the clubs/RFU(god help us) need to be getting this sorted.

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Bedford has a Colts team run with Bedford Athletic.
Ampthill and locally many other clubs do.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 11:36
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Back in my playing days most clubs had a colts side, indeed apart from Leicester Tigers I think there were around 40 clubs in the county that had these sides, have they gone?
I know there's lot's of under age groups right up to international level, but are there leagues for the games future or is it just the odd friendly? For the game to really prosper against a back ground of state schools selling playing fields for housing, the clubs/RFU(god help us) need to be getting this sorted.


Moseley have a colts side (2 actually) - as do many, many others. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 12:05
Jersey Reds doesn’t as it is only the professional team, but Jersey Rugby Football Club does.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 13:14
I believe 128 sides entered the National youth cup - having qualified by winning county rounds.
County cups are hard fought over, and most counties have youth leagues as well.

Youth rugby seems to do OK up to age 16, then player leave as exam pressure increases.
Players then head off to university, and though some continue to play thee, not all do.

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Cov have an u18 side in conjuction with Moulton College. Getting meaningful fixtures is the problem though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote ParkBench Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 13:57
There are plenty of Colts sides round here.

The difference between now and twenty / thirty years back is that players have loads of demands for game time and the sport has moved on.

The better players have all been hoovered up by the academies and have their game time managed. The counties then try and offer a lifeline to those that don’t survive the cut at that age group. The standards of school 1st XV rugby have gone up so much that getting lads out on a Sunday after a tough Saturday fixture is increasingly difficult / going against player welfare.

For once it’s something I don’t think we can blame the RFU for. 

On a positive note University rugby seems to be in a way better place than twenty / thirty years ago offering a competitive pathway to the top and genuine competition for those that might have given up a few years ago.

Rambling post - apologies for that. Post university seems to be the bigger drop now with other concerns getting in the way.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 15:10
I'm aware of mini and juniors every week, and occasional matches or competitions, just wondered if there's a gap. The Lions seem to be getting players just starting to filter through, bearing in mind they are a relatively new club, one made his first team debut the other week and a few have been involved with Leicester Tigers. I ask because of this ad on the facebook page, just made me wonder how often they played
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 15:12
True - except at Oxford and Cambridge, though that is much more to do with them not being dominated by public schoolboys. Having said that, the university now has three Women's sides and there are college fixtures as well.

Leeds Met and Cardiff Met, Exeter and Durham are churning out top class National league and higher standard players. And of course Loughborough and hartpury
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Promotion/Relegation play-off tomorrow (Wednesday 12 Apr) between Leeds Met and Brunel.
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We have from micros (4/5 yr old) through to colts (17/18 yr old) then they can move to either Phoenix 2nds/ 1sts or Academy u18’s or Academy BUCS rugby and on to the knights for those who can step up. Ladies / Girls rugby is growing well too
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2023 at 22:44
Originally posted by Marlovian Marlovian wrote:

Promotion/Relegation play-off tomorrow (Wednesday 12 Apr) between Leeds Met and Brunel.

Brunel is Ealing Trailfinders Academy . Paddy McGill ex Ealing first team player is the lead coach.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 09:32
Glad the game is in safe hands at National level, some interesting replies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Marlovian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 10:26
Yes and surely this is the way all senior academies should operate - providing a solid education to degree level alongside rugby.
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There is definitely a drop-off at age 16 when exams and other issues get in the way. The RFU standard Club constitution recommends a membership category of individuals aged 16-18 who cannot vote but don't require parental membership as well, as most Junior memberships require. That is designed to help hold on to players through a difficult period when they switch to 6th Form College and start to break loose from parents. 

There is another drop-off at 18 when players go to University. One issue then is that Universities tend to offer only competitive matches in the BUCS Leagues so players who aren't up to that have no social rugby to play in. The RFU allows students to register with a Club close to their Uni as well as a home Club but that's still focussed on competitive 1st XV rugby. There needs to be a route for the keen player who doesn't want competitive rugby.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 12:52
That is what intra-mural sport was for. I was at Cambridge and college sport was just for fun, the serious players were after a blue.

Collegiate rugby is struggling, partly due to the move from public schoolboys to state school women dominating the intake. However, Cambridge has 67 men's soccer sides in its league - but that is also well below its peak.

But, it is much easier to organize a kick about than to arrange fifteen a side rugby - and maintain safety.
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