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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Has the standard dropped in N2N? - Negligibly

Is it better for players having 26 instead of 30 matches - Yes

Is it a better league for spectators - Undoubtedly, more local derbies, and personally speaking we don't have the long drag to Luctonians, the plastic of Stour, the loneliness of Leicester Lions, and the total  hideousness of Loogebrooga. 
Based in the NE corner of North Yorkshire, our longest journeys are 2.5 hrs for Fylde and Chester.

The thought of The Students in the Western League fills my heart with joy. 


Well I'm glad it worked for someone, Leicester Lions are also getting better gates with a few local games again, but we are still travelling to Cornwall to play Redruth, Devon to play Barnstaple (here's where my geography could get sketchy) and the Bristol area (sidestepped the County naming there phew), so apart from missing the weekend away with a bucket and spade to Guernsey, we are still poluting the planet with fumes from the coach doing huge miles(ditto for Loogerberooga and Hinckley). Not that the club minds as they hope to be doing more travelling if they can just win the league this year.
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Yes, the same people who think West Bridgford is in the North of England (and who thought Chester wasn't), also have three East Midland teams as being in the West.

I understand that there is an attempt to even up the standard of the three level 4 leagues - which this may be part of - and when the 3 clubs are relegated from Nat 1 at the end of the season, there will be more juggling about, if 2 or 3 of those are from the same geographical area, because the alternative, of relegating 3 or 4 from that area at the level below, is not acceptable either.

In effect, what has happened is that the 4 traditional Divisions (North, Midlands, London & SE, South West) have become three, and the one that has disappeared is the Midlands.
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You will never please every club. England is a weird shape and clubs aren't geographically balanced out.  There will always be winners and losers in a pyramid league system which covers the entire country. 

The more successful a club is the more travelling it would have to do.  The flattening out of the pyramid is/was an attempt to reduce travelling for the lower league teams. There will clubs that don't fit into a convenential idea of geography but have to be there to balance out the leagues - and therefore back to my opening line...

It was a good question earlier in the thread about why the leagues have to be balanced out.  I suppose it is fair that each team in the same level plays the same number of fixtures but outside of that I don't have other good reasons. 
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So the ideal would be……..
Each street to have a rugby club
Travel no further than five minutes to a game 
Only play clubs you want to and get on with
All players to be exceptional athletes with world class skills
Players to pay for the privilege of playing rugby and be grateful to do so
Players to only ever play for one club
Oh and beer prices to be capped at one shilling a pint for ever
 
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Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

So the ideal would be……..
Each street to have a rugby club
Travel no further than five minutes to a game 
Only play clubs you want to and get on with
All players to be exceptional athletes with world class skills
Players to pay for the privilege of playing rugby and be grateful to do so
Players to only ever play for one club
Oh and beer prices to be capped at one shilling a pint for ever
 
That'll do for a start, you missed the RFU sharing out squillions of dosh to the National league teams though.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

So the ideal would be……..
Each street to have a rugby club
Travel no further than five minutes to a game 
Only play clubs you want to and get on with
All players to be exceptional athletes with world class skills
Players to pay for the privilege of playing rugby and be grateful to do so
Players to only ever play for one club
Oh and beer prices to be capped at one shilling a pint for ever
 
That'll do for a start, you missed the RFU sharing out squillions of dosh to the National league teams though.

No sorry tigerburnie that shouldn't be on the list as in the ideal world the RFU wouldn't exist!
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Originally posted by Hopping Mad Hopping Mad wrote:

Not strictly accurate Redted but the proposal provided a huge amount of common sense proposals around making the game more sustainable.

From reading it some two years ago it covered areas such as league structure (more regionalised), firmer governance around payment of players with an enforced limit of £100k at any level (to start off with rather than tiering or opting out), criteria backed promotion to stop the team over club situation (& hence killing the game from the inside) by specifying minimum standards around facilities, medical support, community programs , targeting participation to name a few areas amongst a whole range of areas to level the playing field and protect the game against what is now happening. 

The plan was a proper structured season with proper end of season finals whereby top 8 clubs across the flattened levels went into end of season play offs with a showpiece final at each level. 

The next best 4 finishers then entered a league cup with showpiece final. Those clubs not qualifying were then free to release players to play county rugby or enter county cups if they so wished.

This proposal went to the very top of the RFU and has gained some traction with a start towards regionalisation & greater governance around contracting of players, further action is still on the table.

A friend who put this forward to the RFU told me that the attitude of the NCA representative (a well known TV background) seemed to suggest that regionalisation would put an end to the long bus journey Piss ups and that seemed to be something that needed to be protected at all costs! 

At that point I’m told the leader of the Hoppers delegation simply stated that it was no wonder the game was dying a slow death as certain individuals were clearly stuck in the distant past. 

Re payment of players. I see the narrative is now around cost of living support…I mean come on. Is that a serious comment?

The game has created a culture of average players who believe they are to be paid hundreds of pounds to play in front of a few hundred (at best) supporters each week. The true state of the game is that most of these guys now believe the game owes them a living. How many would play for nothing? The answer would be few. 

Thanks Hopping Mad, I was working purely from memory.  The actual proposal which you have described more completely makes even more sense today that it did at the time. 
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