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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4193 |
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Exactly what is proposed.
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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Gives me a chuckle when it's a Welsh club. It's a nice touch.
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5318 |
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Mold are clearly doing their job for the greater good šŗšŗ
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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knightandday ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Doncaster Knights Joined: 21 May 2007 Location: Lincoln Status: Offline Points: 1764 |
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I think the point was, at least we were in a position to try and make the step up. (If that is a sensible step to take is another matter) How many Clubs entered the audit process? No wonder the RFU think that the Championship clubs have no ambition. |
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Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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Mold are clearly doing their job for the greater good šŗšŗ [/QUOTE]
I saw St Peters RFC in there for one game and thought hang on, that's in Cardiff!
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 3003 |
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They, the RFU, set minimum standards to ensure that they had a way of blocking clubs, we met the standards, spent the money and now they want to close the door. Not about what position we finished,Islander, but they set criteria and now want to move the goalpost completely out of reachā¦ hope that simplifies things
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Nat1 ![]() First XV regular ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2023 Location: Not given Status: Offline Points: 68 |
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Don't worry, these are definitely incorrect. Where did the '5000 Premiership players' number come from? That would be about the total number of every player playing from the top of the Prem all the way down to the bottom of the Nat 2 leagues! The more accurate figure is 500-ish depending on the associated academy sizes (if you include them) and around 80% of these 500 players are typically eligible to play for England. As has been publicised, squad sizes are being reduced to be more equal across the board as the likes of Bath have had around 70 on their books recently, whereas Sale and Saints closer to 50. How many of these 500 players have played any regular rugby at Regional 1 - Champ level before being signed professionally would be interesting to know, but I'd wager very few as a % of the total (and even less % in the England squad), most would have been picked up from a select number of rugby playing schools (usually private) or university. Although I would point out that Sarries and England reserve hooker Theo Dan bucks this trend having played for Stortford just a few seasons ago, so there are exceptions to the rule.
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KnightsBoy ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 2780 |
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Didn't see cpk had responded
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SK 88 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Status: Offline Points: 588 |
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There are 500 players, not 5000. 50 per club. 40 are EQP, typically.
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KnightsBoy ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 2780 |
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5042 |
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The thing that exercises me greatly is the lack of transparency from the RFU. They spin and dissemble rather than being transparent and open. They talk about Prem 2 having £4 m funding per annum but this is not what is proposedā¦. it is actually £125k per club in cash £1.375m and the balance of £2.625 m in benefit in kind represented by the RFUās marketing efforts on behalf of the Championship šš
Who does the RFU think believes any of thatā¦. it is pure spin. Why are they not open and transparent? For clarity re the £125k cash paymentā¦. Circa £45k pa goes on insurance (not paid for by RFU) £65k pa goes on mandatory ambulance and medical attendance and the remaining small balance is swallowed up by the extra costs Championship level 2 Rugby entails. I am not complaining about Champ funding per se because the game below the Champ gets nothing but when the RFU concurs with minimum entry standards to get into the Premiership which will cost Champ clubs £millions it is beyond a joke. There are 4 or 5 sides in the Championship that can realistically aspire to the Premiershipā¦ if I was a supporter of Coventry, Donny, Ealing , Pirates or Bedford I would be even more annoyed than I already am.
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2603 |
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Every indication, and rumor is that Sir Mike Gooley is fed up with throwing money at the squad to chase promotion. There is still huge investment in the ground, but the team is being told to focus on using talent developed through Brunel. You also saw that Ealing didnt bother with the minimum standards audit. So it looks like the RFUs has finally managed to drive a few million pounds of investment out of the game. Well done.
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5042 |
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Coventry have the history, the catchment area, the growing match day support, the ambition and most importantly financial stability. Doncaster are in a similar positionā¦.. how does the RFU justify hugely slanting the playing field against these clubs to the benefit of the members of the CVC/RFU/Premiership Cartel?
It is disgraceful protectionism that should have no place in Rugby š or anywhere else as far as I am concerned. Sid and WEvans are right level 2 and below should just vote out the current RFU Executiveā¦. sell off Twickenham to CVC or the highest bidder and set up a new organisation to administer club rugby
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workerbee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 906 |
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With regards to the RFU taking over the Marketing of the Championship and being paid for via a proportion of the £4m deal. You only have to look back a couple of years when the RFU were actually responsible for the Marketing of the Championship and did suck a poor job that clubs were waiting until the last minute so see if they had to put a sponsors logo on their shirts, which never materialised and they were only too happy to pass the Marketing over to the Championship to run it themselves, and now they want it back!! more of a bank balance switching exercise give it in one hand take with the other.
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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[/QUOTE] There are 500 players, not 5000. 50 per club. 40 are EQP, typically. [/QUOTE]
Context arrives. Tomorrow's Prem final. Bath have 4 non-EQP (5 if Gallagher has played for Italy) Saints have 2 6 from 30 is dead on the rate of 50 per club 40 EQP.
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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Did it also explain why they have over the years cut funding to these clubs?
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5042 |
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Well done Coventry, they are showing leadership and a progressive attitude which is to be admired.
In clubhouse chat I have made reference to a very likely restructuring of the game below level 2 which I fear will lead to a round of redundancies in lower and middle management/support within the RFU. My sources tell me that there is a proposal to be voted on shortly which will see the game below level 2 divided into 6 regions. I suspect that this restructuring is in reality just cover to take further cost out of the community game to pay for the new Professional Game Agreement. If my sources are right and I have no reason to doubt them this is another raid by the RFU/Premiership/CVC cartel to the detriment of the game as a whole. It looks as though the Community Game is being further ransacked for the benefit of 10 clubs, CVC and the RFU Executive
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BE57 REF ![]() First XV squad ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2012 Location: In the middle Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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Interesting that Seeeney has signed the joint sporting bodies āgeneral electionā letter on behalf of the RFU which focuses on governmentās obligation to invest in community sport. Couldnāt find it on RFU website but the FA have it at https://www.thefa.com/news/2024/jun/07/joint-letter
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Just call me "Sir".
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