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MikeGC ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Oct 2014 Location: Burnage Status: Offline Points: 474 |
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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The irony of a man who has served over a year of bans wanting pitches banned is tremendous!
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Onion Hawk ![]() Academy player ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2019 Location: Hull Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/staggering-amount-of-injuries-on-4g-pitches-compared-to-grass-1.3641369 It said that for that season 608 injuries were recorded on grass, 170 on artificial surfaces. With just three pitches the exposure to plastic was less, but returned injury rates of 129.1 per 1,000 hours compared to the grass rate of 89.6 per 1,000 hours, the total hours representing 25 matches. The average severity for match injuries on grass was 32 days, compared with 37 days for artificial turf. So despite taking the proverbial out of Hartley, there are studies that suggest in our game the number of injuries and severity is increased on artificial pitches. However, I've found studies based on football that suggest the amount of injuries is reduced on artificial surfaces. |
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Mark Smith ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() aka 'Ramshackle Smith' Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Upon Status: Offline Points: 2364 |
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If grass pitches had been shown to have more injuries (the number of injuries on grass and AGPs is broadly the same, as it happens), would people be calling to ban grass pitches?
And with most injuries happening in the tackle/contact area, should we ban contact as well? The line about Hartley playing in the game despite knowing he was already carrying a knee problem is also interesting.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Really, considering the FA has stopped the proliferation of artificial surfaces I am surprised. I thought there was particular concern over leg injuries for younger players in their formative years. |
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6377 |
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The FA permits AGPs below a certain level - at which I'm quite sure there are a lot of 'younger' players.
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Fat Albert ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1967 |
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a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother
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backrowb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Gods own county Status: Offline Points: 1659 |
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Even the papers get it wrong. Rugby is only played on 3G pitches. Larger numbers refer to Mobile data.
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6377 |
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I once used that fact (in tongue-in-cheek fashion) on someone who was banging-on about 4g and 5g pitches. It went straight over his head. Almost as if there was no signal. |
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PlangentThrowback ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1265 |
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Mark, you should be a politician with your selective facts! Do you work for someone who has an artificial pitch? The report says the number of injuries on grass and artificial pitches is the same but the point it actually makes is that the severity and burden of those injuries are noticeably greater on artificial pitches (nearly a third higher). As for contact, WR are looking at the Laws to minimise the danger in this area of the game (whether the measures they are considering actually have the intended effect is another issue) and the injury problems around the tackle are also considered in the report I refer to above. It is noticeable that Gloucester players were consulted when Kingsholm's pitch was replaced and they came out in favour of grass rather then the artificial pitch favoured by the management who wanted to maximise alternative uses for the ground.
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backrowb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Gods own county Status: Offline Points: 1659 |
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donnyladinsheffield ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Location: er...Sheffield? Status: Offline Points: 1144 |
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Yes, and don't call me Shirley
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He's alright and he don't care; He's got thermal underwear
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6377 |
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I know. Big girls ain't they? However, my EFL club (who obviously play on that lovely natural grass stuff) have had six season-ending knee injuries in the last three seasons. Makes you wonder if the players would have actually survived had they happened on that nasty, vicious artificial stuff, eh? |
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Brizzer ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2012 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 3398 |
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For me it is what injuries (if any) are caused by an unnatural surface compared to a natural, grass pitch. I.e. if everything being equal would the player have been injured?
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Capt Sparrow ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Cornish Pirates Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2244 |
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I am not sure about the lower leagues but in the Premier League they have Desso Grass pitches which are far superior to the rubber crumb type of 3G pitches. Of course it is all down to money as I believe the Desso pitches cost a million each.
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6377 |
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An AGP, installed from scratch, by a reputable company, will cost a lot more than a hybrid (and the latter may not stand up to weekly shared use very well as it's still basically a grass surface, on dirt, with some reinforcement built-in).
Cov went the full 3g route as it would probably work out slightly cheaper in the long run, and would generate much more cash while avoiding the need to beg, borrow, and hire training facilities. |
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