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Professional rugby isn't sustainable in the Premier league where they manage to get gates of over 5k. Why are the RFU pushing this unsustainability onto the champ. Fully pro rugby is not even vaguely achievable. 
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Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Those interested should check out the most recent episode of the Champ Clubs Podcast, in which Bedford COO Gareth Alred gives his take on some of the issues about expansion. Interesting that he appears to indicate no team is likely to be relegated from the Champ this season, so if all the existing clubs pass the minimum standards, which again seems to most likely outcome, and the Nat 1 winners come up, my maths suggests there would only be one vacancy left in order to get to the increased quota of 14 clubs.


That's not quite accurate. Alred says around the 23.50 mins mark that there is the possibility that some (unnamed) current Champ clubs that may not meet the MOS criteria. He goes on to say, quite rightly, that they have had enough time to get their houses in order to ensue that they do, which is a fair point if Level 2 does want to run more professionally. A decent, balanced overview from a man in the know who recognises that change is coming, and is needed.

He also says that no Championship club is going to be relegated because they don't meet the criteria (eg floodlights), having achieved the most important measure - on-pitch success in making it to the Champ.
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Again, slightly inaccurate. Both he and certainly Charlie Beckett (pretty much a subject matter expert on all things Champ) labour the point, quite sensibly, that the Tier 2 clubs will have to practice what they preach re certain standards on and off the pitch if they expect to remain at Level 2 - much of which does relate to infrastructure, which at the very least would be floodlights, media, hospitality, medical, stand(s) (some covered). 

Somone else mentioned it before, but to have clubs at Level 2 of the game without floodlights at their grounds is quite remarkable, and something those club(s) will have to address moving forward if they think they are going to be staying at Level 2. Alred quite rightly alludes to the fact that there is a period of turbulence ahead for some clubs, which I'd have to agree with.


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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Those interested should check out the most recent episode of the Champ Clubs Podcast, in which Bedford COO Gareth Alred gives his take on some of the issues about expansion. Interesting that he appears to indicate no team is likely to be relegated from the Champ this season, so if all the existing clubs pass the minimum standards, which again seems to most likely outcome, and the Nat 1 winners come up, my maths suggests there would only be one vacancy left in order to get to the increased quota of 14 clubs.


That's not quite accurate. Alred says around the 23.50 mins mark that there is the possibility that some (unnamed) current Champ clubs that may not meet the MOS criteria. He goes on to say, quite rightly, that they have had enough time to get their houses in order to ensue that they do, which is a fair point if Level 2 does want to run more professionally. A decent, balanced overview from a man in the know who recognises that change is coming, and is needed.

He also says that no Championship club is going to be relegated because they don't meet the criteria (eg floodlights), having achieved the most important measure - on-pitch success in making it to the Champ.

Ah yes, the old Grandfather clause the Premiership used when they brought in the Minimum Standards Criteria when only 3 clubs at the time actually met them (and Bath still don't today!). Protectionism seeping down to the Championship too. 
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I hope the due diligence process for any 'new' club is robust. 
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Those interested should check out the most recent episode of the Champ Clubs Podcast, in which Bedford COO Gareth Alred gives his take on some of the issues about expansion. Interesting that he appears to indicate no team is likely to be relegated from the Champ this season, so if all the existing clubs pass the minimum standards, which again seems to most likely outcome, and the Nat 1 winners come up, my maths suggests there would only be one vacancy left in order to get to the increased quota of 14 clubs.


That's not quite accurate. Alred says around the 23.50 mins mark that there is the possibility that some (unnamed) current Champ clubs that may not meet the MOS criteria. He goes on to say, quite rightly, that they have had enough time to get their houses in order to ensue that they do, which is a fair point if Level 2 does want to run more professionally. A decent, balanced overview from a man in the know who recognises that change is coming, and is needed.

He also says that no Championship club is going to be relegated because they don't meet the criteria (eg floodlights), having achieved the most important measure - on-pitch success in making it to the Champ.

Ah yes, the old Grandfather clause the Premiership used when they brought in the Minimum Standards Criteria when only 3 clubs at the time actually met them (and Bath still don't today!). Protectionism seeping down to the Championship too. 

That's a good point, protectionism in 2 leagues. Will the Champ close up shop also and tell others to do as they say, but not as they do in order to join their gang?

Level 3 is the pinnacle of club rugby in England as many of us know it.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Those interested should check out the most recent episode of the Champ Clubs Podcast, in which Bedford COO Gareth Alred gives his take on some of the issues about expansion. Interesting that he appears to indicate no team is likely to be relegated from the Champ this season, so if all the existing clubs pass the minimum standards, which again seems to most likely outcome, and the Nat 1 winners come up, my maths suggests there would only be one vacancy left in order to get to the increased quota of 14 clubs.


That's not quite accurate. Alred says around the 23.50 mins mark that there is the possibility that some (unnamed) current Champ clubs that may not meet the MOS criteria. He goes on to say, quite rightly, that they have had enough time to get their houses in order to ensue that they do, which is a fair point if Level 2 does want to run more professionally. A decent, balanced overview from a man in the know who recognises that change is coming, and is needed.

He also says that no Championship club is going to be relegated because they don't meet the criteria (eg floodlights), having achieved the most important measure - on-pitch success in making it to the Champ.

Ah yes, the old Grandfather clause the Premiership used when they brought in the Minimum Standards Criteria when only 3 clubs at the time actually met them (and Bath still don't today!). Protectionism seeping down to the Championship too. 

That's a good point, protectionism across the top 2 leagues. Will the Championship close up shop also and tell others to do as they say, but not as they do in order to join their gang?

Level 3 is clearly the pinnacle of club rugby in England as many of us know it.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cyvy15gjdgeo

It's looks official then that Wasps, Warriors and Irish have all applied to become part of Tier 2.


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Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Those interested should check out the most recent episode of the Champ Clubs Podcast, in which Bedford COO Gareth Alred gives his take on some of the issues about expansion. Interesting that he appears to indicate no team is likely to be relegated from the Champ this season, so if all the existing clubs pass the minimum standards, which again seems to most likely outcome, and the Nat 1 winners come up, my maths suggests there would only be one vacancy left in order to get to the increased quota of 14 clubs.


That's not quite accurate. Alred says around the 23.50 mins mark that there is the possibility that some (unnamed) current Champ clubs that may not meet the MOS criteria. He goes on to say, quite rightly, that they have had enough time to get their houses in order to ensue that they do, which is a fair point if Level 2 does want to run more professionally. A decent, balanced overview from a man in the know who recognises that change is coming, and is needed.

I wouldn't have flagged it if I thought it was unbalanced or not decent, or the person speaking wasn't in the know. He says it is "highly doubtful" an existing club wouldn't pass the standards hurdle in year 1, but with an eye on the future also stresses that the minimum standards are likely to be stricter/higher in year 3, and higher/stricter still in year 5, with gradually less leniency in order to increase professionalism etc.
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