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Poll Question: Is it time to move on?
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    Posted: 17 hours 1 minutes ago at 00:27
I was just wondering like Squadron Leader is it time to move on with regards to DR's and Loans?  After all and I am sure this will go down like a lead balloon for some:

1. DR's have been around for ~19 years! And those young players always speak highly of their experience with the clubs and how it set their career up. Dan Cole being one of the early ones.

2. All clubs, yes all clubs have used them at some stage, whether short term or long term.

3. Every player who pulls on the team shirt will play for the team, for the fans of that team and may well get injured, potentially career ending for that team.

4. Clubs have been kind of forced into it with funding dramatically cut and the promised return of money disappearing, with no sponsor.  A cheap option is to pay a Premiership club for up and coming players.

5. All but Scottish (Caldy & Chinnor) took huge loans to entertain us during COVID and these need repaying, so the clubs need to save money.  We would rather they still be here and not go into oblivion!

6. The majority of the Championship clubs agreed to the regulations.  Yes 10 starting or even in a squad is too much but the clubs allowed it!

7. As much as we would all like to not have them, the RFU are to blame for allowing Premiership clubs to hold on to all the talent.  They should also reward all clubs lower down the pyramids who produce players.

8. Championship clubs have agreed a voluntary code of having no more than 6 in a squad. Although 3 said they could not do this with agreements in place they would work towards the goal.  I guess the 3 are Scottish, Ampthill and Hartpury?  Next season these are proposed to be in the regulations.

9. Let's be honest if your club can't beat a bunch of 2/3rd choice Premiership players that have may been shipped in last minute, are you really title contenders ready to face a poor Newcastle side?  Last year Blues & Ealing both beat Premiership Cup teams, so it is doable.

10. There probably isn't going to be relegation yet again (a mistake in my opinion), so other than a bit pride for most clubs, what are we actually playing for.


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I've only got into rugby over the last couple of years and struggle with the excessive use of dual registrations.

I genuinely do not see the point in a club playing at a certain level if they can only do it by loaning half their team. Would much rather get relegated with your own team. 

It's quite ridiculous you have championship clubs relying on a club one league above them. Not that rugby allows promotion, but if a championship club with 8 dual reg won the league and their ground were big enough then they'd lose half their team on promotion. 

Domestic rugby is already a closed shop but some championship and nat 1 clubs need to have some self respect and stop relying on dual reg. Let the prem youngsters form their own division rather than infiltrating clubs lower down.

Some may say that they're needed for injury cover. Totally disagree. That's what your 2nd team is for. If a player in your 2s is injured you go to your 3s. Same concept for the 1s.

Would personally like the rule to be no more than 2 dual reg in the squad. No issue with a couple joining but it becomes silly when half the team aren't your players. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nosides Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 43 minutes ago at 07:45
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but if a championship club with 8 dual reg won the league and their ground were big enough then they'd lose half their team on promotion. 
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If nothing else, this is the crux of the matter.  So at the end of the season Hartpury (for example) get promoted, lose all their dual reg players and come back down, probably as most of the clubs enjoying (?) hosting more than 4 DR players in a match side would do.

No-one would (could) ever make promotion to the premiership sustainable. 

Those clubs who actively seek promotion either need to invest or forget it.
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That’s a bit of a moot point. None of the clubs with any realistic chance of finishing top rely on DRs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 8 hours 7 minutes ago at 09:21
I covered this point… No. 9, if you can’t beat 2nd/3rd choice players, you’d have to replace the whole squad!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 57 minutes ago at 12:31
Why not replace DR with season long loans? part of the issue for me is the inconsistency week by week.
I’ll never forgot the debacle of Hartpury drafting in a load of Gloucester and Bristol players for their crunch bottom of the table clash against Richmond a few years back. 
It distorts the league and imo impacts the integrity of the competition. 
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The RFU set the laws of the game and we abide by them, having DR players, who are at the Lions are set to be with the club for the whole season, ie signed before the season begins, do not guarantee any success. As I understand it this is part of the pathway for players to rise to international level if they have the talent.
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The Spirit of Squadron Leader lives!

The Championship means nothing if it is stacked with DR players. It is a quasi Premiership. Every club suffered during Covid and most have managed with the exception of Premiership clubs who are holding DCMS to ransom. Frankly, I'd rather see Premiership clubs fail and rebuild. If England suffer then do be it. If anything, I'd rather see season long registration so that the opposition know who they are playing.

If a club cannot live within it's means then drop through the leagues until you can. Eventually they'll get to the premier league in the country - National One.

A Premiership flooded with non EQP and marquee players means nothing unless the salary cap is lifted and financial regulations enforced, even if the league winner is relegated. It's time for the RFU to man up - but they won't so I hope there is two club relegation / promotion and I'd see Cambridge in National One where rugby is played in a club atmosphere. I know there are exceptions on The Championship where clubs are of the classic club model but even Ampthill have been infected with Dual Registration and as to MacHarlequins - they're within the playing regulations but have no soul. 

The Championship is neither a professional or amateur league it's a combination of both and whilst Caldy beat Ealing last season Clap it's not going to happen that often.

But, we know that the RFU are run by and for the Premiership - we've seen that The Championship clubs struggle in negotiation with the RFU and Premiership.

We all know that mass DR is wrong and if it is to continue then match day limits need to be addressed - say 3 DR - and match day squads need to come down to 18.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 2 minutes ago at 16:26
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:


 - and match day squads need to come down to 18.
That could lead to serious injuries I think, we should not go down the road of players not leaving the pitch when injured just to keep the numbers up.
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Matchday squads of 20 and allowing interchanges rather than straight substitutions seems to work well in Nat1 & Nat2 so why not give that a whirl? 
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