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JZSmith
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Sainsbury's as I need some bananas. Hope this helps!
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3671 |
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Sorry, it was the fact that Penzance & Newlyn are Cornish Pirates that led me to believe you were talking about another club that had played in the old National One and dropped out of the national leagues.
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Mark W-J
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Waterloo were in the top flight for the first two years of league rugby and then at level 2 from 1989-2001. Rotherham were at L2 from 1995-2018, with the exception of two years in the Prem (2000-01 & 2003-04).
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cheshire exile
World Cup Winner Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2520 |
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Mounts Bay were a separate club and had no connection with either Cornish Pirates or Penzance& Newlyn RFC, other than an arms length agreement to use the Mennaye pitch for home fixtures. This agreement did not include use of the Pirates’ clubhouse. They played in what was Level 3(I can’t remember what that league was then called 😒) before their funder encountered enormous business and family problems, and the entity fell apart. I remember watching them at Waterloo.
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cheshire exile
World Cup Winner Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2520 |
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Henley also played at Level 2, I think for a couple of seasons. I remember watching the Pirates there (when we were still Penzance & Newlyn) in 2004 or 2005.
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3671 |
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They did. And Bracknell had one year in Nat 1 around 20 years ago.
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Jester10
World Cup Winner Joined: 29 Aug 2012 Location: Reading Status: Offline Points: 1756 |
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I believe Reading RFC were also up in Nat 1 at some point.
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Enjoying life!
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Breakdown
First XV regular Joined: 11 Apr 2023 Location: SW London Status: Offline Points: 86 |
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No mention of Richmond in this, who have plenty of experience of operating at all levels, from 1 to 10. Not sure if we count towards your question as we are not currently in either 2 or 4, but for what it is worth:
Governing philosophy after the Ashley Levett catastrophe in 1999 has been to go as far as a professionally-run amateur team can go. Turns out this was Level 2 and we might have stayed there a bit longer were it not from some serious gaming of DR rules by first H***pury and later London S******h - and utterly disgraceful behaviour by Yorkshire Carnegie which I am sure many here remember. Our view now is we are really enjoying life in Nat 1. The rugby is excellent, the opposition teams are more like us and we don't have to turn out (often) against a Premiership 2ndXV/Academy side who bear no relation to what the club in question could produce if they didn't have that kind of relationship. We have really enjoyed the hospitality around the league and the visits of other clubs to the RAG. Tier 2 is such a mess and the financing of it so poor that the club is currently thinking about what might happen. Having taken several seasons to reach Tier 2 from Tier 3 on our long march back from the bottom, and then several more at that level, we know what we have faced before. But things look different now. The realistic figure of money from the RFU at Tier 2 is £83,000 (that much-mentioned £133,000 excludes the cost of insurance which the RFU itself seems to be negotiating and not very well at that). That sum is not enough to pay for the additional criteria for playing at Tier 2 and so we would have to make a financial decision. When we went up in 2016, the funding was about £650,000 so given we pay players only a match fee with small win bonus, we could afford the added costs of minimum criteria. Now, those criteria are tighter and the funding has almost disappeared. In spring 2016, the club collectively decided to let the players decide if they wanted to go up; of course they did. Now, it is by no means a given that if - a very big if given the form of several other clubs in Nat 1 - we won the league, we would go up. A lot would depend on whether it evolved into a league in which clubs in the lower half were expected to behave like zombies on behalf of Prem clubs. I do not believe Richmond would go up into a league where we were required to play a minimum number of DRs from the league above. But that is all speculative. Richmond spent 4 seasons (08-12) in Tier 4 "National League 2 South". I remember that fondly too. The crunch play-off game v Caldy 2011-12 was one of the hardest and most exciting games I have seen at any level. So, honestly, to answer the question, if the choice was between going up to 2 or down to 4, I would pick the latter.
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Broken down. Beyond repair.
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3671 |
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They never made it up to L2 in the hierarchy, spending five years at L3 from 1995-2000. But during that time they were in Nat 1 when it was the third tier behind Premiership One and Two (1997-2000).
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tigerburnie
World Cup Winner Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Online Points: 3781 |
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What could end the "parachuting in" of players for playoffs is a deadline like soccer has. Basically you cannot sign any players after a certain date, randomly say end of January or something like that? Of course you cannot have players on the field unless they are signed as a DR by the club in question, after the cut off date.
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Camquin
World Cup Winner Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11360 |
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There is a transfer deadline, for the Premiership and Championship it is 21st March. There are a few exceptions: - You can be registered as an adult when you turn 17, whenever that is. - If you have not been registered with any club you can register at any time. - You can return to a club that loaned you to another - A club can register front row players if required to ensure contested scrums in case of injury. But an England Academy player can hold registration with four clubs at different levels - but only one Championship club at a time - two if one of the clubs has an England Academy. I forget which club has the eleventh academy. |
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Paul10
World Cup Winner Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 720 |
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Is the 11th academy Yorkshire?
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