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Oldman1 
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Raider 999, having seen both Oxford and Cambridge Uni's in the last few years both are well below Level 2 playing bystanders. If fact I think they would struggle with Level 4 sides.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2024 at 13:12 |
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Cambridge RUFC has not sent the first XV to the Town and Gown for about 10 years. Possibly Army and Navy - but a lot of their best players also play for one of the other teams involved. And some might not be available - as they do have day jobs.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2024 at 11:54 |
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Scottish sides are an obvious place to find two sides to fill in the numbers.
They are looking for a bridging level between domestic and URC, so 6 to 9 fixtures in international windows may appeal and work well for everyone.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2024 at 16:07 |
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The Championship will not need to link to the Scottish sides if as proposed the league is increased to 14 for 25/26 making 14 Championship and 10 Premiership sides making the cup 6 pools of 4 or 6 pools of 4. however this will not resolve the issue of how the premiership sides fit into the leagues. 6pools of 4 will mean 4 pools with 2 Prem in and 2 with 1 in if 4 pools of 6 will mean 3 in three pools and 1 in the remaining pool. What is important to the championship is getting Premier sides at home making a big payday for those clubs what ever the result. Hopefully this year we will see two Prem clubs and home.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2024 at 16:14 |
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Or 3 in 2 pools and 2 in 2 pools would make more sense |
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Posted: 28 Jul 2024 at 20:35 |
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The two extra teams would only be for one season, as next season we will be 14. Inviting Glasgow and Edinburgh would probably have been sensible, especially if one was in the same group as London Scottish. But it probably needed to have been done much earlier in the process - as presumably needs approval of the URC and World Rugby. What we don't know is if anyone asked them - or how much money they would want to take part, given they would have three fairly long trips to away games.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 11:04 |
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No idea about other groups, but Cov are in a group of four (two Champ and two Prem).
Not saying any more atm though, but the format otherwise seems a vast improvement on what's gone before.
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Don't think this was posted b4 - Telegraph focus on '4 to watch'. Already outdated in respect of Cov's star fly-half...
Promotion to Premiership is back – these four clubs are gunning for it Changes to minimum requirements rules have given second-tier sides renewed optimism that they can win a place at the top table By Charlie Morgan, Senior Rugby Writer 1 August 2024 • 7:29am While clubs have, technically, been allowed to come up to the Premiership over the past two seasons, provided they meet the pesky minimum standards criteria, 2024-25 looks more promising as far as promotion and relegation are concerned. There has been a tweak to the requirements for reaching the top tier, with clubs now given four years to work up to a stadium capacity of 10,000. Should they produce viable plans and finish top of the table, the Championship winners will face the bottom-placed Premiership side in a two-legged play-off that is sure to be nerve-shredding. As 12 teams, including new boys Chinnor, prepare for a significant season, here are the four leading contenders to make the leap. Cornish Pirates Last season: 2nd Joint head coaches: Alan Paver and Gavin Cattle Key player: Alex Everett (back row) At the start of May, Sir Dicky Evans, majority shareholder and life president of Pirates, disclosed that club contracts for the coming season contained a break clause that could be activated in January 2025 subject to further funding. Gavin Cattle, whose affiliation to Pirates stretches back to 2004 across two stints, describes the situation as “pretty positive”, with slightly relaxed stadium criteria offering greater clarity to investors. “We’re optimistic about this season,” he says. “Last season, we finished second but probably exceeded expectations. We have a similar calibre of squad this year. “Off the field, there is a little bit of stuff to work out and a little bit of grey around funding and pieces that haven’t been confirmed yet. At least now there is a credible way of putting those stepping stones in place, which is what we’ve been working out as a club.” On the pitch, solidifying the front five is the priority. Pirates have signed James French, a tighthead prop previously of Munster and Ulster, and lock Charlie Rice from Bristol Bears. Loosehead prop Bill Keast will be loaned from Exeter Chiefs. Hugh Bokenham, an Australia age-grade international, will be a second-row “talisman” as well. Dan HisHuckleberrys and Cam Jones are a pair of new scrum-halves, described by Cattle as “chomping at the bit”, who have joined established backs such as Joe Elderkin, Bruce Houston and Matt McNab. Ealing Trailfinders visit Mennaye Field in round two on September 27, with Coventry trekking to Penzance for round eight in mid-December. Those two dates already look rather important. Coventry Last season: 3rd Head coach: Alex Rae Key player: Aaron Hinkley (back row) Steady, sustainable progress has been the aim for Coventry over recent years. After finishing third in successive Championship campaigns, top two will be their target. Alex Rae believes that the change to minimum standards criteria “doesn’t make perfect sense” and could still be “incredibly tough” to meet, yet has noticed a buzz around his squad since they returned for pre-season. “You’ve got players suddenly asking questions over what the club wants to do,” says the 38-year-old, Coventry’s head coach since 2022. “It certainly feels like there’s a real chance for a team to have a genuine attempt at promotion.” Could that be Coventry, last at the top table in 1987-88, when they were relegated from Courage League National Division One? “I think our momentum has snowballed a bit,” Rae adds. “At games, you can sense the connection between players and supporters. Ealing obviously did really well last year, winning the league, but we weren’t a million miles off.” As with most clubs, Coventry must manage a considerable turnover of personnel. They have 13 new players and have lost influential figures such as classy scrum-half Will Chudley, who has retired. Rae explains that his strategy has been to support experienced figures like Matt Kvesic with youngsters that are “hungry and maybe a little bit unknown”. The story of fly-half Pat Pellegrini, picked up from Sevenoaks in the fifth tier before he went to a World Cup with Tonga, is emblematic. Generally, Coventry attract recruits who have “come from National One or University, looking for an opportunity to kick on and buy into something”. Charlie Robson, a prolific try-scorer for Rams last season, fits that mould. Aaron Hinkley, the former England Under-20 flanker who moved between Gloucester, Exeter Chiefs and Northampton Saints, is back in the West Midlands after a loan spell at Coventry for 2021-22. Rae says the 25-year-old has “trained the house down”. Daf-Rhys Tiueti, a powerful centre, has arrived from Nottingham as well. Tiueti’s father, Dave, was another Tonga international to represent Coventry. Helped by the artificial surface at Butts Park, Rae’s team registered 15 four-try bonus points from their 20 league games last term. If they do win out this season, it will be an entertaining spectacle. “We want to be tough to beat, first and foremost, but we also play a fast game without too much structure,” Rae says. “We score a lot of tries when we get that right and we don’t want robots. We want people who express themselves.” Doncaster Knights Last season: 6th Consultant director of rugby: Sir Ian McGeechan Head coach: Joe Ford Key player: Semesa Rokoduguni (wing) There has been a common thread to the calls that Joe Ford has fielded this summer. “I’ve had a lot of people ringing up saying: ‘God, you’re spending some money,’” he laughs. “Believe it or not, we’re just under last year’s budget at the moment.” Ford explains that Doncaster will add “a couple more” loanees and have leant on contacts to bring in bigger names. Semesa Rokoduguni has returned to these shores, via two seasons at Montauban, because of his links with the British Army. George and Mike Ford were Bath colleagues of the Fiji-born England international. Joe consulted them prior to finalising the move. “Neither of them batted an eye-lid. They said to sign him, because he was close to the best winger they have ever worked with.” Rokoduguni turns 37 in August, but is a “fitness freak” who has impressed new Doncaster colleagues by “killing it” in CrossFit sessions over pre-season and winning a kicking competition. “A lot of our players want to get to the Premiership and beyond and it was an eye-opener for them all, really,” Ford adds. “Roko’s known for his running but he can still kick out of hand to a really high level.” Logovi’i Mulipola and Joe Jones are two gnarly front-row recruits, with Zach Kerr and George Wacokecoke arriving from Newcastle Falcons to bolster the back-line options. Fred Davies, the former Bristol Bears hooker, is another addition looking for game-time. Taniela Ramasibana, a skilful and sizeable back-five forward from Fiji, has excited coaches since joining from Perpignan. With back-rower Harry Wilson signed by Saracens, scrum-half Alex Dolly – brother of Nic – is among the returnees. Sixth in the past two Championship campaigns, Doncaster were behind Bedford Blues and Hartpury as well as Ealing, Pirates and Coventry last season. Knights were eligible for promotion and, following the criteria tweaks for this term, Ford hopes that as many clubs as possible apply to “show that the Championship is serious”. While aware of the challenge ahead, he knows that success is possible if the squad gels. “We’ve a lot of work to do because, as it stands, we’re the sixth-best team in the competition,” Ford says. “But we’re going to give it a good go. We don’t want to bring all these players in and finish sixth.” Ealing Trailfinders Last season: 1st Director of rugby: Ben Ward Key player: Biyi Alo (tighthead prop) Cautious optimism would probably cover the sentiment at Ealing, who are understood to be confident that they now meet the agreed requirements for promotion to the Premiership. Biyi Alo is a force at tighthead prop and Lloyd Williams, the 32-cap Wales scrum-half, should have a sharper understanding of attacking systems in his second season. The latter, now 34, kicks off both feet and is a robust defender. There are high hopes for Sean Lonsdale, a versatile and athletic back-five forward who calls line-outs. He has joined Ealing from Dragons after coming through at Exeter Chiefs. Francis Moore, a burly outside centre, was previously with Saracens and has intriguing potential. Having landed the title in 2022, Ealing were pipped by Jersey in 2023. The response was strong and they ended up seven points clear last season, winning 16 of 20 league matches. As well as solidifying infrastructure off the pitch, they are future-proofing the squad. Lefty Zigiriadis, a product of the Trailfinders Academy at Brunel University, was loaned to Cornish Pirates last season. The loosehead prop ended up in the Championship team of the year, edging out Will Goodrick-Clarke. Now the latter has moved from Ealing to Exeter, Zigiriadis will hope to make his mark at his parent club. Janeiro Wakeham, a towering presence at 6ft 10in, has joined from Stade Français this summer, too. Ben Ward believes the lock can become “a real difference-maker” in time. |
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 01:12 |
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According to the rugby paper, the Prem Cup will only include the top 10 from last seasons champ, i.e. it will not include Cambridge or Chinnor. I guess they’ll just have to play each other 6 times…
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If true, that chimes with what I've picked up on. It would mean five groups of four, with each side playing each other home and away. No idea how it would progress after that though...
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It's way past time the embargo was lifted though. Ridiculous situation, but totally normal for Union I suppose.
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And presumably 2 champ and 2 prem per group. I assume it would be top of each group and 3 best runners up to quarters.
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If this is true then both Cambridge and Chinnor will have big holes on their in their fixtures
That will be mean financial suicide for these clubs |
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If that's the case, I think it's pretty outrageous. Cambridge and Chinnor are just as much a part of the Champ as all of the other clubs, and have earnt their place at Level 2 on merit. I've never heard anything like this before, and would hope the Champ as a whole would remain united as they have done re Prem 2 and insist that ALL Champ clubs have their day out against the big boys. The only possible reason I could see as to them not being included may be because they lack the infrastructure to televise games? But I'm sure the same could be said for Caldy and Ampthill, if not several others.
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Yes, two Champ, two Prem. Cov's group is interesting to say the least, but no idea who Bedford are grouped with (so that narrows it down very slightly 😉
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