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Wasn't Ampthill's early rise through the leagues based on a hand full of Tongans, who also sold cars??
At that time ,we used to know Ampthill as 'Old Tongonians'!
I believe that they were promoted to Nat 1 through the play-off system and then picked up following cash injections. The cash will run out when those putting in move on or lose interest.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Stuartnottingham Stuartnottingham wrote:

The RFU probably don’t think there is a place for Ampthill in tier 2 

National One is where Community (affordable & member players) club rugby is played, Championship is a bit of a mess. Amps (and Caldy & Cambridge), know your place.

Article in TRP about virtues of the broken 3 straight back in, but not Jersey - maybe they've seen the light.

I think you mean 'the National Leagues' rather than simply 'Nat 1.'.
The majority of Nat 1 & 2 Clubs run 3-4 Senior Men's teams, a Women's Team and a full range of MJ's from U5's to U19's but, we are seeing an increase of 'one team' Clubs, who of course are run on the whim/cash of some personal ego/egos and give nothing back to the game. Here again, eventually the cash will run out, leaving no foundations etc!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2024 at 09:56
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:


I think you mean 'the National Leagues' rather than simply 'Nat 1.'.
The majority of Nat 1 & 2 Clubs run 3-4 Senior Men's teams, a Women's Team and a full range of MJ's from U5's to U19's but, we are seeing an increase of 'one team' Clubs, who of course are run on the whim/cash of some personal ego/egos and give nothing back to the game. Here again, eventually the cash will run out, leaving no foundations etc!

I meant National One is the top of club rugby IMHO




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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Wasn't Ampthill's early rise through the leagues based on a hand full of Tongans, who also sold cars??
At that time ,we used to know Ampthill as 'Old Tongonians'!
I believe that they were promoted to Nat 1 through the play-off system and then picked up following cash injections. The cash will run out when those putting in move on or lose interest.

It was basically based on getting a very high quality head coach early on and letting him get on with things. 
That included getting in a few Tongans because Paul Turner was a fan of their attitude to Rugby, training and staying fit, Molitika staying fit and playing into his 40s is a great role model to young lads and clubs thinking about loaning good academy lads to lower clubs probably think about those sorts of things along with the quality of coaching they will get and having Paul Turner there is obviously a massive plus point in that.

And all that is probably based on the money of the DoR and his companies sponsorships etc

I doubt there is any side in the Championship and few in the premiership who would survive if key people pulled the plug; Jersey, LI, Worcester and Wasps all show that quite clearly; Ampthill are no different in that respect from anyone else bar a small number of Prem clubs.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:


If you believe Jersey RFC aren't paying players... you will believe Richmond were amateur in the Championship like they reported.

It's not a question of believing D22, I know how things stand here in Jersey and am happy to go on record with that...

Can't speak for Richmond, but as I recall they were open about paying players a match fee and/or win bonus during their time back in 2nd tier

I can't speak on behalf of Richmond as a club, but as a supporter of several decades who knows a lot about the club and speaks frequently to the people who have been chairmen and presidents in recent seasons, I can say this: since 1999, Richmond only pay players a match fee and a win bonus. When we first went up to the Championship in 2016, we increased the match fee a fair bit, I think to £300 from £175, with the win bonus going up to £100 from £50, but I may be wrong in the exact figures. That is the ballpark. A cap was placed on the total any one player could get in a season because the fee was raised and there were concerns people might get the wrong idea about being paid to play - and the cap was £9,000 as I recall. No player came close to it, in fact I believe nobody got above half that number for the season.

We have a loose "jobs bureau" where if a lad is interested in a certain profession they can get advice and maybe an introduction or two from club members who work in that line. I have done that myself once. I am not aware that anyone associated with the club employs or has ever employed any of the players. Again, I may be wrong. The sort of arrangement some clubs have where players are employed by the person or people who effectively run the club does not exist at Richmond to the best of my knowledge.

There are no players on salaries or contracts that pay money. I am not sure whether players get contracted to us as part of registration - a lot of the language around this subject is ambiguous. But players joining the club from elsewhere are told they cannot earn their living from playing rugby for Richmond.

We usually have a couple of Harlequins youngsters (Lucas Schmid and Frank McMillan this season) and have benefitted from having the likes of Kyle Sinckler, George Merrick, Louis Lynagh (who with his brother Tom was a Richmond mini) and Lennox Anwanyu in the past. The board has recently told members that the club would have nothing to do with a league that expected us to open our First Team to a large number of players from another club.

That is what the club calls the Richmond Way - not a phrase I like, to be honest - and it is all driven by the experience of going bust in 1999 and deciding 'never again'. You can be cynical or sceptical about it, but that is how it is.  



To be honest I don't think it is just the Richmond way. I believe a number of other clubs use a similar fixed match fee/win bonus approach. Esher I know have fixed match fees although I don't know if they have win bonuses (not that they would need to pay many this season!).

As for a "job bureau" again I think many clubs have members who help find employment for their players but I suspect Richmond may have an advantage being so close to the City.

I think Richmond have a great approach to the game and the fact they run several very strong senior men's sides and are competitive in NL1 suggests it is successful. Good luck to them.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2024 at 13:13
I'd say there is a version of the jobs bureau at every rugby club in the world.

I know where I go first when I need work or advice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Breakdown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2024 at 14:27
Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

I'd say there is a version of the jobs bureau at every rugby club in the world.

I know where I go first when I need work or advice.

Absolutely agree - I wasn't claiming that it or the "Richmond Way" thing were in any way unique or pioneering. There was an earlier post which strongly implied that the club had salaried players when in the Championship and I was laying out what incentives, including the payment of match fees and the potential advantage of job contacts, were on offer for people to come and play at the RAG.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Wasn't Ampthill's early rise through the leagues based on a hand full of Tongans, who also sold cars?

I always heard that they washed them on the forecourt! 
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Esher pay a fixed match fee and no win bonus. We did the same last season. Players join and play for us for non-financial reasons which do include finding jobs for them.

Research I did a long time ago showed that players join Clubs where they already have friends ( even Tigers in the 1990s).
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No win bonusStern Smile
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Wasn't Ampthill's early rise through the leagues based on a hand full of Tongans, who also sold cars?

I always heard that they washed them on the forecourt! 

That's because they were too big to get in them!
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Originally posted by FlyingRuck FlyingRuck wrote:

This is my personal opinion and not the view of the club I support but I do not like the term "Community rugby" or "Grassroots rugby" when associated with National One or indeed National Two. In my opinion it is a misnomer since the club's that make up these leagues are semi-professional rugby clubs mainly run on professional lines when you factor in coaching , medical provision, player payments, player welfare and development and general infrastructure. It would be wrong to conflate their status with that of the majority of clubs playing down the pyramid. 
It doesn't mean that clubs in the National Leagues don't care about or support the community aspect of rugby which is so vital.
I think that the RFU are keen to apply  and promote the term "Community" to the National Leagues because it suits their agenda...


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