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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

TODAYS RESULTS:

15:00

Bishops Stortford v Sale FC

14-7 FT

14:00

Leicester Lions v Dings Crusaders

22-15 FT

14:30

Plymouth Albion v Darlington MP

24-14 FT

14:00

Rotherham v Blackheath

15-12 FT

14:30

Sedgley Park v Rosslyn Park

28-0 FT



Good result for Leicester, maybe they'll be around for Nat 1 rugby next season after all. Was it up and coming Saints v up and coming Bears in the end? Not what Nat 1 rugby is about in my opinion.

Rotherham grinding out another win against southern opposition. Not sure they'll be so lucky on the road in the return fixtures.

Game of the day for me was at Sedgley. Tigers take a bow as I cannot the remember the last time Rosslyn Park were nilled by anyone. A mercurial club who flatter to deceive year after year, despite spending a small fortune on player's contracts.The title will now be won by one of '3 Rs' - Richmond, Rams or Rotherham.

I think I may have found it and it was the best part of 10 years ago during the 2015-16 season and a similar trend with the Londoners again being nilled by northerners in the winter mud that they cannot handle.



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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

[QUOTE=Rothman2]TODAYS RESULTS:

15:00

Bishops Stortford v Sale FC

14-7 FT

14:00

Leicester Lions v Dings Crusaders

22-15 FT

14:30

Plymouth Albion v Darlington MP

24-14 FT

14:00

Rotherham v Blackheath

15-12 FT

14:30

Sedgley Park v Rosslyn Park

28-0 FT



Good result for Leicester, maybe they'll be around for Nat 1 rugby next season after all. Was it up and coming Saints v up and coming Bears in the end? Not what Nat 1 rugby is about in my opinion.

Nope it was two Leicester Tigers, one Northampton Saints, one Coventry and one Sale Shark.
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Originally posted by Sedge Tiger Sedge Tiger wrote:

Sedge 28 (5) RP 0 (0)FT
Brilliant result Sedge. Have a great evening πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
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So just 1/3 of the team drafted in to try and keep the National 1 dream alive LOL. But to what end?

Where did the pinnacle of traditional club rugby in England go wrong?

Thankfully clubs like Leicester Lions and Bristol Crusaders are few and far between in this league.
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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

So just 1/3 of the team drafted in to try and keep the National 1 dream alive LOL. But to what end?

Where did the pinnacle of traditional club rugby in England go wrong?

Thankfully clubs like Leicester Lions and Bristol Crusaders are few and far between in this league.

I wish I could get the fish to bite as easily as you do, you clearly haven't read my posts before or seen the interview with the Lions head coach, if you had you might just have an understanding of what is going on.
Your maths is cr@p too 5 is not a third of the matchday squad of 20.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

So just 1/3 of the team drafted in to try and keep the National 1 dream alive LOL. But to what end?

Where did the pinnacle of traditional club rugby in England go wrong?

Thankfully clubs like Leicester Lions and Bristol Crusaders are few and far between in this league.

I wish I could get the fish to bite as easily as you do, you clearly haven't read my posts before or seen the interview with the Lions head coach, if you had you might just have an understanding of what is going on.
Your maths is cr@p too 5 is not a third of the matchday squad of 20.

Which fish is that then? Apologies, I hadn't realised it was a third of your 'squad' of 20, rather than a third of your starting XV, that makes it so much better. Maths was never my strong point.

As a long-time follower of National League rugby, I find it difficult to accept soulless nothing teams like Leicester Lions and Dings Crusaders competing at this level, over established true rugby clubs like Cinderford and Taunton of recent Nat 1 vain. But then that is the rules and I'd never for-go the jeopardy of promotion and relegation like the top 2 tiers of club rugby have. It is crucial.

Having said that, what is the point in turning out each week with a bunch of Tigers and Saints mercenaries in front of a couple of hundred 'fans'?


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My you are bitter as well as ill informed, clearly you will not let the facts get in the way of a good rant, so I'll park it here.
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No bitterness, just highlighting the presence of artificial hodgepodge rugby 'clubs' in England's third tier. If that is your thing, good luck to you, but it's not for me, and its not something the league benefits from in any shape or form.
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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

No bitterness, just highlighting the presence of artificial hodgepodge rugby 'clubs' in England's third tier. If that is your thing, good luck to you, but it's not for me, and its not something the league benefits from in any shape or form.

And I thought The Championship was a mess - it seems to have infected National One. Let's hope that DR is reduced to 3, season long, loans (better still, 0). 
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I'd be in full support of a max 3 dual reg. I don't mind a couple of youngsters from the prem in a team. I actually think that's good for both the youngsters aiming for a pro career and the senior national 1 players.

But when a club becomes reliant on another to stay at their level they lose the identity of the club. Look at the championship, Ampthill and London Scottish are no longer independent clubs they're just prem under 21 teams. I'd much rather get relegated to the level the club should be at than rely exclusively on loans to stay up. 
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Good morning 

I totally agree with you and the above 2 postings (FHLH/Nat 1) At the end of the day it is up to each club to decide how they want to progress and good luck to them in whichever way they proceed. I believe in club rugby. 

A club should be a beacon of development, progression and support of the game, by having a growing self sufficient entity which adds to the growth of the game.

I can’t see the point of a club based on another clubs player development. 

It’s great to see nearly 400 sat down for our prematch yesterday. The Sale FC, Manchester derby Christmas game will be greater than that, and the prematch was sold out in early October.


Sedge are not Unique in this regards, far from it,  there are  lots of clubs up and down the country than can better our effort and that is great news for the game. 

Yes we all need to do more but club rugby will not survive if it allows  a very narrow non sustainable un controlled player recruitment, based purely on a larger clubs player development.

What's the point of that.

All the best 

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To join this debate I would give a stat from the Lions website as an example. Charlie Davies is in his second year as a Tigers academy player who is on dual registration with the Lions, he has played in 8 matches so far this season and played a similar amount last season. He is not parachuted in "just to prop up" the club, he is an active part of the Lions building his experience and career, just as Jack Van Poortvleit, George Martin and James Whitcombe did when they were with the Lions in Nat2(and no not the year they were promoted from the West, but in the South).
Clubs like Tigers and the Saints have players involved all over the rugby community, with players in the BUCS program and on loan across the leagues, one prop would have been on the bench for Moseley yesterday had the game not been cancelled. There are players who have been at a few other sides including Chinnor for example. Now through no fault of these players, they don't have access to competitive rugby every week(the RFU should sort this I agree) so arrangements are with many clubs not just the two you seem to have a problem with. Did you come on here vilifying Sale FC when they were fielding Sharks first team players a couple of years back when pushing for promotion? 
When the Lions were promoted, all but a couple of the entire squad had been at the Lions as Lions for at least 5 years, many now retired had over 100 appearances for the club. Had the Lions been winning every league with these dual registered players I could perhaps understand your venom, but clearly they are not. The Lions are a young well coached side that their local Premiership side recognise as a good club to let their future(and in some cases England's) prospects learn their trade. Doing an apprenticeship if you will, just like people of all walks of life did do in industry, commerce and hairdressing(to name but a few). Who are you to deny them this opportunity in the absence of an alternative? Is it just that you are unaware of the good the game is doing for these young players, or are you just jealous that your club has not taken the opportunity to join in this part of our game?
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Good morning 

Not sure who you are aiming your reply at.

Lions can do what they like. No jealousy on my part at all just a differing view to yours on how the club game should survive.

With respect, Sedge had 5 years at the Championship level some years ago with a quasi link up with Sharks (not solely) similar to some clubs approach today. We had good attendances but the club started to loose its heart and it’s way. It was a First XV entity but no one knew whose.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.  The club house was empty from 18-00. That was a big change from previous times.  

The re-organisation of the championship re-focussed our efforts on who we are and what we are to the sport within our community. 

Our club at this moment and for the last good few seasons (10 or so) is a happier place and it is in a good healthy position in league structure and as beacon for Rugby Union in the community. In fact Leicester Lions benefitted from our academy when players signed by Northampton Saints were then loaned out to Lions. Bizzare I know.

As stated previously good luck to all clubs and whichever route they chose to take.

My opinion is just that, my opinion nothing more or less. 

All the best 

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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

No bitterness, just highlighting the presence of artificial hodgepodge rugby 'clubs' in England's third tier. If that is your thing, good luck to you, but it's not for me, and its not something the league benefits from in any shape or form.

And I thought The Championship was a mess - it seems to have infected National One. Let's hope that DR is reduced to 3, season long, loans (better still, 0). 

Bur Cambridge have had Northampton Saints loanees playing for them, why the hypocrisy?
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Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

Originally posted by Sedge Tiger Sedge Tiger wrote:

Sedge 28 (5) RP 0 (0)FT
Brilliant result Sedge. Have a great evening πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

RM2

Thanks very much, oh and BTW contrary to Rabbies previous rantings on my predictions for your game yesterday. It was a case of reverse psychology. I always knew you would beat Club. They are a good side but it’s seems Yorkshire grit took the day.

It looks like a great season for the Mighty Roth. Enjoy boysClapClapClapLOL 

All the best 

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I did write a bit of an introduction to the :Lions when the club were first promoted, some clearly haven't read it, so in condensed form. Leicester Lions were formed 26 years ago when Wigston and Westleigh rugby clubs decided to merge into one. They rose into National 2 North and remained there fore quite a number of years, then level transferred to Nat 2 South and finally West. In that time they began the process of building a minis and juniors, they now have a colts side and have their first couple of players that are truly home grown. Although both original clubs had a long history, Wigston founded just after the second world war in 1946 and Westleigh in 1904, the Lions in their current format are still building the club. With the opening of their new club house they are becoming involved in the local community more, but with Welford Road only 4 miles down the road, they are not likely to ever get a large following as some town sides get. They have found some great support from sponsors, but will always find it difficult to have a large squad of players that some clubs can afford, financial diligence is key.
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