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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nat1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2025 at 21:04
A very good listen with two men talking a lot of sense with balanced viewpoints. Good for them speaking up and putting their views of the RFU and what is to come on record. I haven't heard many other clubs doing the same.

Interesting to hear about how Rams and Reading RFC are going to be working together. Will Rams only be running semi-pro/elite sides with Reading offering social rugby then?

Reading used to be a higher level side 20 years ago and it seems like role reversal now with Rams heading on an upward trajectory. Hopefully they have the infrastructure, fan base, players and finances to make it work.


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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

A very good listen with two men talking a lot of sense with balanced viewpoints. Good for them speaking up and putting their views of the RFU and what is to come on record. I haven't heard many other clubs doing the same.

Interesting to hear about how Rams and Reading RFC are going to be working together. Will Rams only be running semi-pro/elite sides with Reading offering social rugby then?

Reading used to be a higher level side 20 years ago and it seems like role reversal now with Rams heading on an upward trajectory. Hopefully they have the infrastructure, fan base, players and finances to make it work.




Reading RFC to offer social rugby
Rams RFC to offer semi pro / fully pro (potentially) elite + a vibrant mini & junior section (as that is where some of the players of the future will come)

We think we have the infrastructure, we have shown that “if we build it, they will come” especially if we play home games on a Friday night, players only time will tell, finances we hope so but we’ve risen through the leagues by NOT spending a fortune on players, only time will tell if we need to change our business model ….

We have been blessed with a CEO (with the club for nearly 25 years) & Chairman (joined the club as a colt over 45 years ago) who eat, sleep and drink Rams RFC and supported by large numbers of willing volunteers who see the bigger picture ….

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2025 at 23:48
And Reading also have the walking rugby, women's, girls, brigands (learning disabilities) teams

Should work for both.
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Great podcast

Here is the link. Well worth a listen.


I remember we had rivalries with Reading on our rise through the leagues in the nineties.

I also recall visiting their ground in November 2000 when we were in the Prem although this game was in the National Cup. We won 46-27. They were in National 3 South (then level 4) at the time. 



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A very good set of well measured answers to highly relevant questions…..don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, sacking the CEO will not drive the change required, decision making and funding needs to be closer to the action.
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I note that whenever anyone criticises the council, they always like to say that their own council member is doing a good job.

While the 57 old farts used to run the game., the council no longer has any actual power.

It is the board - and specifically the CEO - that manages Twickenham and negotiates the TV contracts for international matches.

And then decides how to distribute that money - how much to give to the England teams, how much to the Premiership clubs, and how much to the rest of the wider game.

The council do not have any say on any of those negotiations.
They are presented as a fait accompli.

I agree that if you were structuring the council now, you would not start here.
And that we are suffering from poor decision made 100 years ago as well as more recently.

But do not get distracted from who is mismanaging the game now.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I note that whenever anyone criticises the council, they always like to say that their own council member is doing a good job.

While the 57 old farts used to run the game., the council no longer has any actual power.

It is the board - and specifically the CEO - that manages Twickenham and negotiates the TV contracts for international matches.

And then decides how to distribute that money - how much to give to the England teams, how much to the Premiership clubs, and how much to the rest of the wider game.

The council do not have any say on any of those negotiations.
They are presented as a fait accompli.

I agree that if you were structuring the council now, you would not start here.
And that we are suffering from poor decision made 100 years ago as well as more recently.

But do not get distracted from who is mismanaging the game now.


100% right. The Council already contains about 25 people who owe their position on it to BS or his predecessors. They have no power and are not responsible for most of what is angering clubs at all levels. That Rams podcast is just regurgitating the lines Twickenham has been trying to leak out for the past fortnight: 'that this is not a genuine expression of unhappiness but a malicious campaign by a few disgruntled individuals, working in cahoots with the press.'

They either believe that and are totally out of touch with the rest of the game or they don't and have other reasons for saying what they did.
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https://www.thetimes.com/sport/rugby-union/article/pressure-mounts-on-bill-sweeney-as-141-clubs-call-for-his-sacking-82fs26cj0


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Pressure mounts on Bill Sweeney as 141 clubs call for his sacking

RFU rejects validity of letter, which requests that board terminate chief executive’s employment ‘as soon as practicably possible’, stating it is out of date and lacking appropriate signatures
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The motion calls for the RFU to terminate Sweeney’s employment “as soon as practicably possible”
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The scale of the revolt against Bill Sweeney was laid bare on Thursday night as 141 clubs from across England piled unprecedented pressure on the RFU board to sack him.

Sweeney, 67, faces the greatest challenge to a standing RFU chief executive in the professional era, in light of the pay and bonuses scandal which erupted in November.

The rebels who have moved against him, and have already successfully seen off the chairman Tom Ilube, who resigned before Christmas, have gathered in huge numbers to express their disdain for the RFU leadership.

They have far surpassed the 100 member signatures required to call for a special general meeting (SGM). Clubs across several levels of English rugby, from the Championship downwards, and throughout every region of the country have officially signed up, showing the level of anger across the country.

On Thursday evening The RFU received notice of the motion to call for an SGM, which includes a request for the union’s board to terminate Sweeney’s employment “as soon as practicably possible”.

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The RFU, however, have rejected the validity of this letter on bureaucratic grounds. Their rules state that any call for an SGM must be signed by two leaders of each club — this letter they have received has no signatures, but lists the 141 clubs that support it.

The RFU also say it is out of date, as two of the motions mention Ilube, who has already left. The rebels purposefully did not update the motion they sent to clubs in December, otherwise they would have to restart the entire pain-staking process.

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Ilube, the former RFU chairman, departed last month
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If the appropriate signatures are forthcoming Sweeney will therefore face the music by the end of next month, during the Six Nations.

The RFU board can resist a call from the membership to sack Sweeney. Constitutionally, the clubs can only remove the chairman.

Those that are rallying support for this rebellion have gone public as they want more clubs to sign up. They have been writing to clubs directly since mid-December as they are worried that many have not received their call to join, as their letters have been blocked by some RFU council members who they claim are either staying “silent” or briefing others not to sign up.

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They cite Sweeney’s pay, “excessive bureaucracy” for registering players, poor financial results — the RFU have lost around £130million over the last two World Cup cycles — the “debacle” of the introduction of a lower tackle-height in community rugby, poor governance and “wasted money spent on sacking England coaching staff” as reasons for their dismay.

Some of the signatories of the motion to remove him have offered a stinging criticism of his leadership, many going public for the first time.

In a statement from the Rugby Football Referees’ Union (RFRU), who have been organising the uprising, and member clubs of the RFU, the union’s administration stands accused of a “failure to find a whole-game solution to the whole-game problems English rugby faces”.

The RFU have been told they are “driven by data, not by empathy” and that there is an “overwhelming” and “universal” feeling they are not doing a good job.

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Beaumont has been brought in by the RFU as interim chairman
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The statement adds: “Further resolutions may well be tabled following the publication of the [legal firm] Freshfields review into extraordinary bonus payments made in a year of extraordinary financial losses.

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“The signatories to the letter now urge other member clubs and constituent bodies who have not been able so far to join — or have not been aware of this mass movement to bring about reform and positive change — to add their weight.”

Much of the ill feeling in the game has coalesced after the RFU published its annual report last year. The Times revealed before it was published that Sweeney was paid £1.1million, including a bonus of £358,000. This was a record pay-packet for the leader of a British sports governing body — excluding pay-offs.

Five other executive directors shared a bonus of close to £1million while the RFU made 42 staff redundant and made a record loss of £37.9million.

Since those revelations were made public, the pressure mounted on the RFU leadership. Chairman Ilube, 61, was seen as “target No1” for a large, angry faction of the game as he signed off on the award of these bonuses as part of the remuneration committee.

The RFU has always stood by its long-term incentive plan (LTIP), through which Sweeney unlocked his large bonus, although have refused to take questions on it publicly.

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The governing body installed the LTIP in 2021 to keep a strong executive team together during the pandemic, and reward them for their service in that time, although two of the executive team left before it matured in 2024. The RFU says it was put in after an extensive “external benchmarking” process, yet critics of it feel it was not an appropriate scheme for a sports governing body.

Ilube eventually was convinced to resign in late December, as the Times revealed, and will be replaced as chairman on an interim basis by Sir Bill Beaumont, 72.

Summing up the fury, Paddy McAlpine, the chairman of Chichester RFC from level six of English rugby’s pyramid, said: “Every club I know wants to see change at the top, new leadership and a new approach to taking English rugby forward at all levels.”

Having received the letter, the RFU said: “The letter contains a number of inaccuracies. It does not comply with the relevant requirements and is therefore invalid as a requisition for an SGM.”

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RFU turning into Handforth Parish Council here....
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