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Under Duckworth, Worcester achieved six promotions in six years, built a stadium and built their following from a handful to six thousand.

Exeter did something similar with Tony Rowe's money.

Which proves with the right backing, and hard work, it can be done.

But - and it is a big but - it takes someone willing to invest in the marketing and facilities as much as the players, and there are not that many rugby fans with tens (hundreds) of millions to invest - and the willingness to see it through.



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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I also think bottom in the Championship should at least have playoffs against whichever team in ND1 that does not get automatic promotion.

In theory the season is already over and we are all just playing for pride.
Disagree entirely.
Two up, two down for me. Top and bottom of the Champ..
Never going to happen, but that's my view.

I am saying this year we have had no relegation for 2 years now and the excuses are changes to leagues etc. there should always be an option for relegation even if it’s a play off to make sure the bottom club is still better than the next best in the one below.
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Blues were also robbed in a one leg semi final at Worcester with a try late on against them which would have been disallowed with a video ref. They even received an apology from the RFU…. Not that that meant anything!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 3 minutes ago at 08:48
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I also think bottom in the Championship should at least have playoffs against whichever team in ND1 that does not get automatic promotion.

In theory the season is already over and we are all just playing for pride.
Disagree entirely.
Two up, two down for me. Top and bottom of the Champ..
Never going to happen, but that's my view.

I am saying this year we have had no relegation for 2 years now and the excuses are changes to leagues etc. there should always be an option for relegation even if it’s a play off to make sure the bottom club is still better than the next best in the one below.
OK. But it's far too late to change anything for this year.
On the subject of playoffs for relegation/promotion: that's also a no-no. There's always going to be a major imbalance between bottom of the higher league and top (of the lower league) making it an entirely unfair, lopsided competition. Top teams in the lower league must not be forced to strengthen just for a playoff scenario. That should only happen with full knowledge of next season's league status. Failure can be fatal.
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I wonder how many of us would actually like to see our club in The Premiership in its current state. Rumours abound that several other Prem clubs are on the brink. Is there, actually, any benefit from joining this failing cartel as it stands?
The amount of money that would need to be pumped in to meet ground criteria, buy Prem shares and build a squad capable of survival is eye watering. Be careful what you wish for.
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Rugby Pass today reporting that Matt Everard is appointed as Worcester head coach, and that they have passed all RFU entry criteria for the Championship. Just the matter of a whole squad to recruit now....
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London Irish confident of making a return for the start of the 2026 season. Which league that will be in is anyone's guess. 

Lots of words and visions of grandeur and fan ownership etc in the article below, but I'm not convinced they'll be back for a few years at least. Mention of 'exhibition games' in the meantime.



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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

We are dealing with what looks like an inept bunch in the RFU, indeed I have heard it said by others Lovely, no idea myself. However I have a certain amount of sympathy for the Worcester position, fleeced by a would be asset stripper, if others accounts are to be believed, though oddly no criminal charges have occurred. I wish Worcester's new owners would do the honourable thing and start again at the bottom, like others have done, but it's all about the money now, rugby is no longer a game anymore.

Rugby is still very much a game because rugby does not begin and end at the top couple of levels.
I think money has an effect on clubs in all the National leagues and probably below that, clubs have to raise a lot of money just to exist, never mind paying players any fees.

Of course clubs have to raise money to exist and most at this level are doing so with very little if not zero help from the RFU but this doesn't mean rugby isn't a game for them. Do you think those involved in grassroots rugby are only thinking about money and not having a good time playing and watching a game with their mates? 
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Worcester Warriors have appointed Matt Everard as head coach after the club announced they had passed the audit for entry to the tier 2 level for next season.
Everard who has previously coached at Nottingham, Wasps and Leicester was given the role after Ex-Jersey and Pirates coach Harvey Biljon turned down the role and decided to remain at Rotherham.

Found this on the RFU website:
Section 2 - Minimum Operating Standards

Annual management accounts showing income and
expenditure for the previous Season.
i. Showing YTD actual vs budget;
ii. At 6 month or 12 month intervals;
OR
iii. DCMS loan submissions (where applicable);
(d) Current Club assets and liabilities;
(e) Financial Projections / Budget for the current season
(season prior to Tier 2 league entry) demonstrating all costs
associated with the Club;
(f) Details of any Club loans and repayment dates;
(g) Such other financial information as the Club believes is
relevant; and
(h) Such other financial information as the RFU may reasonably
request.
Thereafter, the Club shall be required to observe financial
monitoring obligations as set out in the RFU Regulations.
i. Annual financial statements (as filed at Companies
House or equivalent for company type) must be used.
1.2 Evidence of financial planning
Essential: The Club must provide a completed RFU Financial
Questionnaire in a form stipulated by the RFU which will include the
provision of written submissions on:
(a) Summary of trading history over the past three years;
(b) Proposals for funding losses / shortfalls; and .......

So b (at the top) and 1.2 (a) - next to bottom line could not possibly have been met. How did they "pass the audit" ? What a farce.

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Originally posted by Stalwart* Stalwart* wrote:

Worcester Warriors have appointed Matt Everard as head coach after the club announced they had passed the audit for entry to the tier 2 level for next season.
Everard who has previously coached at Nottingham, Wasps and Leicester was given the role after Ex-Jersey and Pirates coach Harvey Biljon turned down the role and decided to remain at Rotherham.

Found this on the RFU website:
Section 2 - Minimum Operating Standards

Annual management accounts showing income and
expenditure for the previous Season.
i. Showing YTD actual vs budget;
ii. At 6 month or 12 month intervals;
OR
iii. DCMS loan submissions (where applicable);
(d) Current Club assets and liabilities;
(e) Financial Projections / Budget for the current season
(season prior to Tier 2 league entry) demonstrating all costs
associated with the Club;
(f) Details of any Club loans and repayment dates;
(g) Such other financial information as the Club believes is
relevant; and
(h) Such other financial information as the RFU may reasonably
request.
Thereafter, the Club shall be required to observe financial
monitoring obligations as set out in the RFU Regulations.
i. Annual financial statements (as filed at Companies
House or equivalent for company type) must be used.
1.2 Evidence of financial planning
Essential: The Club must provide a completed RFU Financial
Questionnaire in a form stipulated by the RFU which will include the
provision of written submissions on:
(a) Summary of trading history over the past three years;
(b) Proposals for funding losses / shortfalls; and .......

So b (at the top) and 1.2 (a) - next to bottom line could not possibly have been met. How did they "pass the audit" ? What a farce.

Perhaps being the 'invited club' to Prem 2 means that all of the above is waivered and akin to getting Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket. Only this ticket admits the one chosen club to a mad house, and not a chocolate factory.


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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

We are dealing with what looks like an inept bunch in the RFU, indeed I have heard it said by others Lovely, no idea myself. However I have a certain amount of sympathy for the Worcester position, fleeced by a would be asset stripper, if others accounts are to be believed, though oddly no criminal charges have occurred. I wish Worcester's new owners would do the honourable thing and start again at the bottom, like others have done, but it's all about the money now, rugby is no longer a game anymore.

Rugby is still very much a game because rugby does not begin and end at the top couple of levels.
I think money has an effect on clubs in all the National leagues and probably below that, clubs have to raise a lot of money just to exist, never mind paying players any fees.

Of course clubs have to raise money to exist and most at this level are doing so with very little if not zero help from the RFU but this doesn't mean rugby isn't a game for them. Do you think those involved in grassroots rugby are only thinking about money and not having a good time playing and watching a game with their mates? 
Do you think professional players are only thinking about the money and not having a good time playing and watching a game with their mates?
I was talking about the clubs as were all of us, the leagues and who goes where. not talking about the players at the moment. Pull your neck in.
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