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    Posted: 17 Feb 2022 at 10:47
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-10520605/Rugby-South-Africa-set-join-Six-Nations-2025-Italy-facing-boot.html

My opinion: In the words of the late great Margaret Thatcher:

No! No! No!


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I would rather see a relegation type of format i.e. bottom of 6 Nations play off against top of the European pool. I think this would generate a lot of interest and grow the game further in Europe.
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I can understand the attraction to CVC of South Africa joining the NH competition, SA has a lot of expats in Europe and a long history in Rugby.

I can also see the logic with SA in the same time zone as UK and Europe.

However, I think they should stay in the SH competition and a promotion/relegation every 2 years (combined total after all teams have played each other home and away) between 6 Nations and Tier 2 European competition.

To me this would be the best way to inject life into a closed shop.
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It depends how we are going to be referring to the 6 Nations is it the european top competition? or is it an international country competition?

I'd prefer them joining the 6 nations then any SA sides in the european cup.
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Yet another example of greed ruining the game. The Springboks should never join the 6 Nations. This is the inevitable consequence when the need for money rules above everything else. Would be a complete disaster and would kill 140 years of history. Within 10 years of the Boks joining the 6N we would moan about them winning it every year and destroying the competitiveness that makes it special. These unions need to be careful what they wish for.

If there should be any tweaking to the Six Nations, it should be getting rid of Italy and reverting back to the old five nations. 


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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I would rather see a relegation type of format i.e. bottom of 6 Nations play off against top of the European pool. I think this would generate a lot of interest and grow the game further in Europe.

That's exactly what should happen for sporting integrity and a way to grow the game. Alas, Georgia are being thrown away by the money men, just like the Pacific Islands.


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CVC money   . so they can do what they want and SA desperate for funds . . . what must Georgia and other aspiring nations think, World Rugby has lost control of its game!!!!  
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I would rather see a relegation type of format i.e. bottom of 6 Nations play off against top of the European pool. I think this would generate a lot of interest and grow the game further in Europe.

That's exactly what should happen for sporting integrity and a way to grow the game. Alas, Georgia are being thrown away by the money men, just like the Pacific Islands.

Are Georgia the clear choice though?
Portugal drawing with them in Georgia.... 
I think Portugal with Georgia's best could be closer to the 5th place 6 nations side.
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The guardians of the game gave it to the money men.
The money men want returns today, and do not care for the state of the game in thirty years, as they will have cashed out.
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Portugal sit fourth in the RWC European qualifying, although they have played Georgia and Romania - so I think they may overtake Spain and head to the play-off. They are 15 points behind Georgia with three matches to play.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Portugal sit fourth in the RWC European qualifying, although they have played Georgia and Romania - so I think they may overtake Spain and head to the play-off. They are 15 points behind Georgia with three matches to play.

Issue with Portugal is their financials and such stability. They have zero to little control over their best players as they go and play in the Top 14/Pro D2 and such are at a mercy of those clubs to let players go play. 
I know of at least 6 in the Top 14 now. 
On their day their best side is on par with Italy's i think.
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Two level European Championship is most logical and best for the European game. Play off between bottom L1 and Top L2

Current standings in European Level 2

Spain
Romania
Georgia
Portugal
Russia
Netherlands

with Germany and Belgium drifting in and out. Netherlands are the new boys on the block

Georgia having won since at least 2014
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Why play off? Give the team that comes top their due. 
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Those are a little skewed by Spain's first two matches being Russia and the Dutch.
Or if you look at the two-year table for RWC qualification. after seven games:

GEORGIA      31
ROMANIA      22
SPAIN           21
PORTUGAL    16
RUSSIA         10
NETHERLANDS 0
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There's only reason this idea is even being considered: money.

South Africa are already part of an established competition of their own and they should remain there. 

The only tinkering we should be thinking about is relegation for the 6th place team, and promoting the winner of the Championship. 
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Italy are set to block it, could get dirty.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Italy are set to block it, could get dirty.

Well done Italy
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Six Nations rejects idea of removing Italy and bringing in South Africa
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