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    Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 21:27
Lions to face indigenous-heritage team in Australia

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The British and Irish Lions are in line to take on a team made up of players with indigenous Australian and Pacific Islands heritage as part of their tour of Australia next summer.

The tourists were supposed to play the Melbourne Rebels on 22 July, but the Super Rugby team have gone into administration since the fixtures were announced in July 2023.

Rugby Australia chief executive Phil Waugh said he hoped to attract box-office names for the fixture.

"We have some great talent with First Nations heritage," he told the Sydney Morning Herald., external "So it was a matter of how do we will pull those ideas together to make a very special game in a massive tour?

"The preference will be to have Australian-eligible players of Pacific and First Nations backgrounds, and high-profile players to drive a high level of interest."

Veteran back Kurtley Beale, who played against the Lions in 2013 and is currently recovering from an Achilles tendon injury, Fijian-born Marika Koroibete, who missed out on Wallabies selection this autumn, and fellow wing Dylan Pietsch, whose artwork will feature on the Australia jersey during the tour,, external could all be contenders to play.

Waugh has also confirmed he is pursuing New Zealand internationals who are playing their club rugby abroad, and are therefore ineligible for All Black selection, for a trans-Tasman 'Anzac' team, combining both Australian and Kiwi players, who play the Lions on 12 July.

While Waugh did not specify names, Richie Mo'unga and Shannon Frizell, who both started the 2023 Rugby World Cup final for New Zealand, are in Test exile as they ply their trade in Japan.

Scrum-half Aaron Smith, who retired from international rugby after the tournament, is also playing in the country’s Rugby League One.

"There are conversations beginning," Waugh said. "We certainly want to get some high-profile Kiwi players, and given France are in New Zealand then, the sensible place to test some conversations would be the New Zealand players who are offshore. We are starting to engage with some clubs and players."
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Lions reveal shirt for Australia tour

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The British and Irish Lions have unveiled their shirt for the 2025 tour of Australia, revealing they will wear a darker shade of red.

The shirt also features a pattern woven into the fabric, symbolising the union of four nations, and an old-fashioned 'grandad' collar.

Lions chief executive Ben Calveley said the change in colour was intended to create a shirt that was "more wearable for the fans" away from matches.

"More wearable"? Bleeding execu-speak nonsense. Are they saying that you can't wear bright red away from the stands? I do all the time.

I wish they'd just tell the truth and say "It's more commercial" or "the sponsor's logo shows up better on dark red".

I do like the pattern on it though, not sure I get the point of putting an electronic tag in it though.

Maybe the electronic tag is in case a certain Scottish full back currently playing in France is selected? 
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

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The British and Irish Lions have unveiled their shirt for the 2025 tour of Australia, revealing they will wear a darker shade of red.

The shirt also features a pattern woven into the fabric, symbolising the union of four nations, and an old-fashioned 'grandad' collar.

Lions chief executive Ben Calveley said the change in colour was intended to create a shirt that was "more wearable for the fans" away from matches.

"More wearable"? Bleeding execu-speak nonsense. Are they saying that you can't wear bright red away from the stands? I do all the time.

I wish they'd just tell the truth and say "It's more commercial" or "the sponsor's logo shows up better on dark red".

I do like the pattern on it though, not sure I get the point of putting an electronic tag in it though.


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Lions reveal shirt for Australia tour

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The British and Irish Lions have unveiled their shirt for the 2025 tour of Australia, revealing they will wear a darker shade of red.

The shirt also features a pattern woven into the fabric, symbolising the union of four nations, and an old-fashioned 'grandad' collar.

Lions chief executive Ben Calveley said the change in colour was intended to create a shirt that was "more wearable for the fans" away from matches.
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Mandy Rice-Davies springs to mind here for some reason! 
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Australia chief dismisses fears over Lions series

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The Wallabies will offer serious competition to the British and Irish Lions next summer, says Rugby Australia chief executive Phil Waugh.

Australia suffered the heaviest defeat in their 125-year Test history on Saturday when they were swept aside 67-27 by Argentina.

It was their third defeat from four games in this year's Rugby Championship and follows a miserable pool-stage exit at last year's Rugby World Cup.

"You can see the progress is there," Waugh told the Sydney Morning Herald, external when asked about the team's trajectory before the Lions' arrival Down Under in June.

"It is not nearly where we need it to be, but if we keep progressing at the speed with which we have moved things in the last six months, then there is plenty of time."

Waugh believes the headline-grabbing scoreline against the Pumas hid the improvements that have been made during new head coach Joe Schmidt's six months in charge.

Australia, who defeated Argentina the week before, led 20-3 in Santa Fe before capitulating in the second half.

They were also within two points of world champions South Africa at half-time of their August meeting before losing 30-12.

"It is a team that is, and I hate using the word 're-building', but it is a team that is re-setting, and it takes experiences in big moments to get better," Waugh added.

"Obviously the enormity of the scoreline in that second half [against Argentina] was disappointing.

"But there is context that is important... we are not the most experienced team in world rugby, and we are building that experience."
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

[QUOTE=Paul10]The Lions era has passed. Sadly.

A tour to France would be better sport than Australia.
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My son in law’s Australian. They don’t like losing. Joe Schmidt and a few Rugby League players might make a difference 

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Looks like the Wallabies will be more competitive than their RWC display:


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Former Ireland boss Joe Schmidt has been appointed as Australia head coach, succeeding Eddie Jones.

Schmidt's two-year contract begins in March and runs to the end of the next British and Irish Lions tour in 2025.

Jones resigned in October after the Wallabies failed to reach the knockout stages of a World Cup for the first time.

"I thought it was a good opportunity to try to pitch in and get Australia up and running," said Schmidt.
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Thanks Islander

In that case, Farrell will pick URC/Prem players over Top14 if it's not obvious.
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The (French) Top 14 final is on June 28th this year, by coincidence the 1st (Australian) game of the Lions tour next year is on the same date, in Perth. Top 14 dates for 24/25 not yet confirmed...
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One concern of selecting players in France is what happened with Gareth Thomas in 2005. Then a toulouse player and ending 2005 as the lions captain. Toulouse went to the final of the championship which is generally early to mid June.

He missed all the pre tour prep and arrived a week into the tour.

Imagine that being more than a handful of players and it becomes awkward.


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The Lions are alive and well. Such a unique sporting event made up of the home nations and Ireland coming together will always attract a healthy following. Its unparalleled across all sport, with the exception of the Ryder Cup perhaps.

Whilst the Aussies might be all at sea at the moment, it'll still be an occasion and the planned match vs a combined Aus/All Blacks side will be intriguing. 

The SA tour was dominated by Covid, and was nothing like tours of old as a result, indeed a Lions tour in name only. However, 2017 in NZ was perhaps the best of the modern era, with some real quality test matches being played.

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[QUOTE=Paul10]The Lions era has passed. Sadly.

A tour to France would be better sport than Australia.
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The Lions era has passed. Sadly.

A tour to France would be better sport than Australia.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

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Looking forward to this tour. The Covid series in SA was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. 

Does anyone know what the score is with England players who play their league rugby abroad being eligible for the Lions? There could be a few of them come next year and wondered if the rules will be relaxed with this.

Last time I checked, that was an England rule, not a Lions rule. Indeed, I remember in 2013 they said they were looking at calling Wilkinson up for one last hurrah from Toulon. 

I think you're right Robb, and it makes sense to me.

I also think the time has come for England to be more flexible with their ineligibility criteria around foreign-based club players. 

It would be quite some story if Owen went on the tour and perhaps even captained the Lions under his father as head coach. And even more incredible if he did all that based on club form alone if he were to make the move to Racing. Interesting year ahead and the article below is worth a read:

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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Berksrugby Berksrugby wrote:

Looking forward to this tour. The Covid series in SA was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. 

Does anyone know what the score is with England players who play their league rugby abroad being eligible for the Lions? There could be a few of them come next year and wondered if the rules will be relaxed with this.

Last time I checked, that was an England rule, not a Lions rule. Indeed, I remember in 2013 they said they were looking at calling Wilkinson up for one last hurrah from Toulon. 

Steffon Armitage was also a longshot consideration for the 2013 tour due to his performances for Toulon, but looking back on the information at that time the Top 14 Final on 1st June 2013 happened to coincide with the opening match of the Lions Tour (Lions vs Barbarians in Hong Kong).

With the Tests starting on 22nd June I guess that Gatland & co decided to have a settled squad rather than have a few galacticos dropping in.
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Originally posted by Berksrugby Berksrugby wrote:

Looking forward to this tour. The Covid series in SA was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. 

Does anyone know what the score is with England players who play their league rugby abroad being eligible for the Lions? There could be a few of them come next year and wondered if the rules will be relaxed with this.

Last time I checked, that was an England rule, not a Lions rule. Indeed, I remember in 2013 they said they were looking at calling Wilkinson up for one last hurrah from Toulon. 
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Looking forward to this tour. The Covid series in SA was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. 

Does anyone know what the score is with England players who play their league rugby abroad being eligible for the Lions? There could be a few of them come next year and wondered if the rules will be relaxed with this.
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Andy Farrell named British and Irish Lions head coach for 2025 tour to Australia

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Andy Farrell has been appointed head coach of the British and Irish Lions for the 2025 tour to Australia.

The Englishman, currently coaching Ireland, succeeds Warren Gatland in the role, having served as his assistant for the 2013 and 2017 Lions series.

Farrell, 48, has led Ireland to a first series win in New Zealand and a Six Nations Grand Slam since taking charge in 2019.

Last month he signed a new Ireland contract that runs until 2027.

His role with the Lions will start in December 2024.

Farrell said it was an "honour and a privilege" and thanked the Irish Rugby Football Union (IRFU) for allowing him to accept the "prestigious opportunity".

"There is a wealth of talent across Britain and Ireland, and I am looking forward to building a team that can deliver the ultimate goal of success in Australia," he said.

"The British and Irish Lions fan base is really special, uniting supporters from England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and beyond.

"Mobilising that sea of red by creating a team that our fans can connect with and be proud of will be a key priority for me and will be crucial to our success."

Farrell will prepare the Lions for 10 games, including an opening Test against Argentina in Dublin and ending with a three-Test series against Australia in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney.
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It will be interesting to see who gets on board for the tour, both on the Lions and the Aussies side of things. 

I have been lucky enough to go on two previous tours, to SA in 2009 and NZ in 2017, and one thing I can say for certain, it will be some occasion and something that the players, coaches and fans will never forget. There is something quite unique about The Lions not just in rugby but across all sports, very special.

Only being out in Oz to watch England win The Ashes (something of a rarity down under!) back in 2010-11 comes close to the experience of following a Lions tour, so bring on 2025. Can't wait.
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