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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11789 |
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You can watch proceedings A lot of waffle from Sweeney and Massie-Taylor. I am not sure the committee were impressed. they admitted that premiership businesses were losing £4m a year each before covid. But apparently this was "sustainable". Definitely sounds like the Prem will reduce to ten sides. So I assume no promotion from the championship. Lots of talk of more integration between the two top leagues No news on how big the Championship will be, or if it will get any more funding. But I suspect there may end up with no promotion from National 1.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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One For The Ditch ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 13 Jul 2018 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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To get a good view of the Select Committee's reading of the situation, just flip to the last two minutes.....it's classic!
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rugbychris ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 02 May 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Epic failure.
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One For The Ditch ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 13 Jul 2018 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 247 |
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Sweeney took no initiative, Simon Masie-Taylor just blue smoke up their noses Uncle B
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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It was good to see the RFU being made to look stupid but what good does that do anyone? Will anything actually happen to improve matters? Of course not. I'm afraid this is just a pointless charade to make politicians look good whilst they actually do nothing.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7774 |
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Thanks for flagging CQ. The 10-team Prem has been discussed a lot in recent months. Key question: when will it go to 10, and how? Would they really relegate a team (Falcons, Bears or Irish) in 6 months' time, when 2 clubs have already gone? Still strikes me that 2024 would be more likely. Hope you don't mind me asking, as I'm not in position to watch a hearing right now...
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11789 |
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There was a lot of talk of nobody being able to make Warriors financially viable without P-shares, but nobody asked how the Championship clubs manage. There was talk of integrating the Championship with the premiership, but no hint of what that meant. It looks like a ten team Premiership, so expect on relegated team and no promotion this season. SMT had the gall to say they should get the Championship on TV, when it was the PRL taking over the contract that removed the Championship from TV, not that the lesser clubs ever saw any of the money.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11789 |
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By the way, what did the Trailfinder's fans make of Ms Huq's performance on committee?
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7774 |
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Sky Sports News covered the hearing - report via link below...
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Delamas ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Status: Offline Points: 117 |
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RFU under fire from MPs over its role in demise of Worcester and Wasps | Rugby Football Union | The Guardian
but Simon Massie-Taylor, the chief executive of Premier Rugby, quietly mentioned at one point the part played by the DCMS, which loaned more than £15m of taxpayers money during the pandemic. “I don’t think that sends a particularly strong message to the rest of our clubs – that you can go into administration and retain assets while getting rid of liabilities.”
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3735 |
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You've taken that final quote out of context. That refers to Wasps and Worcester being allowed to keep their 'P' shares.
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Delamas ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Status: Offline Points: 117 |
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apologies
not intentional done for brevity
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Steve@Mose ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2957 |
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Rugby Football Union chief executive says club owners will face remodelled suitability test
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6548 |
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And that just about sums up the moral stance of the MP for Worcester - and others of his ilk.
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3735 |
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No problem!
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11789 |
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As I understand, they lose not just the P-Shares, but also the A and B-shares. The P-Shares only generate £2.5m but the total revenue from PRL is closer to £7m or a third of the club's expenditure. With the funding from RFU is comes close to almost half the expenditure. Most Premiership clubs only generate about £6m - the remaining £4m is loss funded by their owners - either because they truly love the game, or because they see some future upside from the land. Or last year, by inflating the value of the PIL share holding to £13 million. Even though PIL has the right to buy them for £9m. Although people talk of shares in PRL, PRL is owned by PRL Investments Limited (owned in turn by the clubs) and a CVC special purpose company. The shares the clubs hold are in PIL. The Worcester MP that claimed Worcester had been relegated twice, once with and once without P-shares, possibly misspoke. The current P-shares only date from 2018. There were earlier P=-Shares and before that the parachute payment.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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