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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The only way for the clubs to remove him is to dissolve the Union.
Which is beginning to look like a necessary option.


In response to Mark W-J and Camquin that was what I was actually alluding to. I think the Board of the RFU (and possibly the Council Members) are so out of touch that they think they can ride out the storm with some slick and manipulative PR and preserve the truly appalling status quo. 

The current SGM may only be able to demonstrate the schism in the Union and with the Board in thrall to Bill and Bill I doubt whether there will be enough free thinking truly independent directors to grasp the enormity of the problem.

If Camquin is correct and I expect he is it just shows how awful the governance of the RFU has become.

If anyone really believes the RFU is fit for purpose they must be deluded. The RFU requires surgery. I do not know if a replacement heart, lung, brain trifecta is possible. 

Sell Twickenham to CVC and lets just start again


Edited by Big Eddie - 30 Jan 2025 at 17:26
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Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.
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Wonder how much this “Independent Review “ cost the RFU
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Can an independent review commissioned and funded by those its meant to review, truly be independent?
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

So what exactly were “the goals it sought to achieve “?
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

Well that's a surprise isn't it?
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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

Well that's a surprise isn't it?

I’ll place a small wager the spin doctors / PR gurus manage to either get this to disappear into the ether or somehow place a positive spin on this scandalous bonus after many rank and file redundancies. 
(thanks to Mr Scargill for his input with this post 😂)
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

 

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.


Thus, the only possible reasonable excuse, namely deferred pay, was wrong and the RFU Annual Report incorrect. 

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Interesting piece in the Guarniad about community rugby.
Much complaining but no examples of what the RFU could do



My suggestion would be to support referees more. This is a small group of people who have a big influence on the game.

(I'm not a ref)
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RFU offers to devolve power in bid to save Sweeney

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2e54wgpv4o



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This is apparently what the RFU spends on Community. Considering staff costs are given their own column I can't work out how the RFU are Paying £1.4m for T1 RUGBY. How do you spend £1.4m without staff costs?

Community clubs should demand a forensic examination of RFU accounts. 

COMMUNITY GAME FUNDING OVERVIEW - 2024/2025
£30.9 million
Of which includes certain of the items discussed at the National Engagement meeting (will not sum to overall total):
INSURANCE – both club personal liability and personal accident
£4 million
 INJURED PLAYERS FOUNDATION - Core operations and lifelong support to catastrophically injured players.
£1.2 million
COACH / MATCH OFFICIALS QUALIFICATIONS & TRAINING - initial training, CPD, Red Roses scholarship programme, Young Match Officials learning hubs etc.
£1.5 million
T1 RUGBY - Delivery of Rugby to new audiences including 1800 schools & colleges and to women over 16 in Rugby World Cup cities.
£1.4 million
SCHOOLS & UNIVERSITIES – School Rugby Managers and University 'Activators', Programme to increase club participation among 6-12-year-old girls, and other projects.
£1.3 million
ON THE PITCH - Interventions and costs allocated to our efforts to keep more players playing for longer.
£0.7 million
FLOODLIGHTS, PITCHES & SHOWPIECE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS - RWC25 Impact programme facility upgrades, usage and depreciation of 28 RFU AGP sites.
£4.6 million
STAFFING - salary and on-costs of 148 staff in Rugby Development.
£9.1 million
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When are we going to stop conflating community rugby with what is clearly semi professional rugby in every respect, at level 3. The organizational and  infrastructure requirements at level 3 are significant. The RFU do not support that level in any shape, way or form. 
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Originally posted by WILD BOAR 1 WILD BOAR 1 wrote:

RFU offers to devolve power in bid to save Sweeney

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2e54wgpv4o


This devolution smacks of a distraction attempt in desperation. 
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