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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 17:18
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The only way for the clubs to remove him is to dissolve the Union.
Which is beginning to look like a necessary option.


In response to Mark W-J and Camquin that was what I was actually alluding to. I think the Board of the RFU (and possibly the Council Members) are so out of touch that they think they can ride out the storm with some slick and manipulative PR and preserve the truly appalling status quo. 

The current SGM may only be able to demonstrate the schism in the Union and with the Board in thrall to Bill and Bill I doubt whether there will be enough free thinking truly independent directors to grasp the enormity of the problem.

If Camquin is correct and I expect he is it just shows how awful the governance of the RFU has become.

If anyone really believes the RFU is fit for purpose they must be deluded. The RFU requires surgery. I do not know if a replacement heart, lung, brain trifecta is possible. 

Sell Twickenham to CVC and lets just start again


Edited by Big Eddie - 30 Jan 2025 at 17:26
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Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2025 at 18:18
Wonder how much this “Independent Review “ cost the RFU
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2025 at 21:14
Can an independent review commissioned and funded by those its meant to review, truly be independent?
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

So what exactly were “the goals it sought to achieve “?
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

Well that's a surprise isn't it?
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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Review finds RFU pay scheme 'appropriate'

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An independent review has found the Rugby Football Union's controversial executive pay scheme, which led to the resignation of its chairman Tom Ilube, was an "appropriate remuneration structure".

The bonus scheme prompted widespread criticism of chief executive Bill Sweeney, who received an extra £358,000 on top of his increased salary of £742,000, while the union posted record operating losses of nearly £40m and made job cuts.

Sweeney's total income of £1.1m in the year up to June 2024 was significantly up from the £430,000 he received in the Covid-affected year of 2019-20 after being appointed in 2019.

His bonus in 2024 was part of a 'long-term incentive plan' (LTIP) signed off by chairman Ilube and intended to recognise the salary sacrificed by senior leaders during the pandemic, while being linked to various parts of the organisation's performance.

The review by Freshfields, which was commissioned by the RFU, has found that the structure of the LTIP "was appropriate in light of the goals it sought to achieve" and is a common tool in corporates, which has also been adopted in some other national governing bodies.

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.

Well that's a surprise isn't it?

I’ll place a small wager the spin doctors / PR gurus manage to either get this to disappear into the ether or somehow place a positive spin on this scandalous bonus after many rank and file redundancies. 
(thanks to Mr Scargill for his input with this post 😂)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 20:14
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

 

It found no evidence that the LTIP was designed with the aim of "compensating" individuals for loss of income during the Covid period, despite the RFU's 2023-24 annual report stating it was.


Thus, the only possible reasonable excuse, namely deferred pay, was wrong and the RFU Annual Report incorrect. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 18:46
Interesting piece in the Guarniad about community rugby.
Much complaining but no examples of what the RFU could do



My suggestion would be to support referees more. This is a small group of people who have a big influence on the game.

(I'm not a ref)
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RFU offers to devolve power in bid to save Sweeney

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2e54wgpv4o



Edited by WILD BOAR 1 - 28 Feb 2025 at 18:41
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This is apparently what the RFU spends on Community. Considering staff costs are given their own column I can't work out how the RFU are Paying £1.4m for T1 RUGBY. How do you spend £1.4m without staff costs?

Community clubs should demand a forensic examination of RFU accounts. 

COMMUNITY GAME FUNDING OVERVIEW - 2024/2025
£30.9 million
Of which includes certain of the items discussed at the National Engagement meeting (will not sum to overall total):
INSURANCE – both club personal liability and personal accident
£4 million
 INJURED PLAYERS FOUNDATION - Core operations and lifelong support to catastrophically injured players.
£1.2 million
COACH / MATCH OFFICIALS QUALIFICATIONS & TRAINING - initial training, CPD, Red Roses scholarship programme, Young Match Officials learning hubs etc.
£1.5 million
T1 RUGBY - Delivery of Rugby to new audiences including 1800 schools & colleges and to women over 16 in Rugby World Cup cities.
£1.4 million
SCHOOLS & UNIVERSITIES – School Rugby Managers and University 'Activators', Programme to increase club participation among 6-12-year-old girls, and other projects.
£1.3 million
ON THE PITCH - Interventions and costs allocated to our efforts to keep more players playing for longer.
£0.7 million
FLOODLIGHTS, PITCHES & SHOWPIECE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS - RWC25 Impact programme facility upgrades, usage and depreciation of 28 RFU AGP sites.
£4.6 million
STAFFING - salary and on-costs of 148 staff in Rugby Development.
£9.1 million
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FlyingRuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2025 at 20:52
When are we going to stop conflating community rugby with what is clearly semi professional rugby in every respect, at level 3. The organizational and  infrastructure requirements at level 3 are significant. The RFU do not support that level in any shape, way or form. 


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Originally posted by WILD BOAR 1 WILD BOAR 1 wrote:

RFU offers to devolve power in bid to save Sweeney

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2e54wgpv4o


This devolution smacks of a distraction attempt in desperation. 
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Does anyone have a feel for the effectiveness of Bill’s PR campaign? There has been a lot of time for the original mass outrage to have cooled off. Looking on this forum the matter may be losing interest. I’m not trying to incite anything but have noticed a tailing off of comment in the newspapers and online news sources. 

Have the individual club’s stances for the vote been set by asking their own members or has everything been left to whoever already deals with the RFU at the clubs?


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I for one have no confidence in anything that comes out of there.

It is all about England & the Premiership.
All decisions they make will favour them other than a few sprats.

The best league in the whole of England is National 1 with a regular league fixture list which,  in general guarantees a home game every other week.

This should be the benchmark for improvements in the Championship because at the moment their league structure is all over the place, trying to make some amends via the Premiership Cup, but if press reports are to be believed, that will not involve Championship clubs next season.

The relegation and promotion unresolved issues are a disgrace. Trying to introduce criteria for getting into the Championship going forward. No funding yet the club has to pick up the bill to make any changes but even after doing the hard bit & winning the league, that is not generally enough as allegedly, a committee will make the final decision. In the case of Championship clubs, even winning the league won’t be enough. They will have to get through a play off with the bottom Premiership team with resources much higher than anyone else. Doubtless they’ll point to the fact that Ealing won at Northampton in the cup. Fair play to the Ealing, but the league is different gravy.
To add insult to injury clubs in the Championship and any other clubs, some in National 1 and the so called phoenix clubs, were given the opportunity to APPLY to join. 
Yes that’s right the clubs that had to leave the Prem due to financial reasons were also asked to apply?

Just think of it, a club previously removed from the Prem is being considered to take one of the 14 places in the Championship alongside the existing teams and the National 1 champions, although we are given to understand nothing has been decided.

Just think about that. National 1 has been magnificent and is a benchmark for all that is good about the game yet maybe only one of the clubs may join the Championship. There are 5 or 6 clubs (maybe more) in Nat 1 who would grace the Championship. 

Any new club, phoenix club etc, should start at/ near the bottom of the structure like London Welsh, Richmond & London Scottish did.
To place teams in the Championship makes a mockery of a league structure. They may have a ground but no players, coaches etc so where are they going to come from?

Reward success - not failure, so no, I have no confidence that the right decision will be made, as their basis for the right decision is based on England & the Premiership. Hence the silence and the heads in the sand hoping the problem goes away, and that the Chief Exec. through a confidence vote later this month. 

Follow the example of National 1 for how a PROPER league works & whatever you do don’t mess about with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few as Mr. Spock once famously said.

I am not a cynic. I am a glass full kind of guy but unfortunately past experience makes me cynical.

Prove me wrong England Rugby. Other than that everything is fine. 

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Edited by Rothman2 - 3 hours 21 minutes ago at 15:43
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It's not going to go away. It's only going to get more acute as club rugby withers even further. How a governing body can watch as countless clubs go the wall and playing numbers crumble is beyond failure. It's almost deliberate.

Less playing numbers on a Saturday at clubs means more spectators at the Zombie franchises. Wink



Originally posted by ParkBench ParkBench wrote:

Does anyone have a feel for the effectiveness of Bill’s PR campaign? There has been a lot of time for the original mass outrage to have cooled off. Looking on this forum the matter may be losing interest. I’m not trying to incite anything but have noticed a tailing off of comment in the newspapers and online news sources. 

Have the individual club’s stances for the vote been set by asking their own members or has everything been left to whoever already deals with the RFU at the clubs?


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Originally posted by FlyingRuck FlyingRuck wrote:

When are we going to stop conflating community rugby with what is clearly semi professional rugby in every respect, at level 3. The organizational and  infrastructure requirements at level 3 are significant. The RFU do not support that level in any shape, way or form. 



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