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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

What do people feel about the 7:1 split 
If you have a similar set of forwards and bring them on. Is it right for a game of rugby and players safety who don’t match it 

I don't get why there's so much controversy about this. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic within the laws. The law just says you need 3 front row replacements, the rest is coach's choice. 

Few if any people are saying this isn't legal as the laws stand, just questioning whether the tactic of bringing on a whole new pack, or 7/8ths of one, is a principle we want in the game. I am one of many people with reservations about it. I would favour a 6-man bench with 3 front rows + max of 2 more forwards...
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Makes little difference, with only one back, you have more chance of getting though them, indeed a great chance of having players playing out of position. If we really want proper rugger, you do away with replacements all together and have one medical sub like it used to be.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

What do people feel about the 7:1 split 
If you have a similar set of forwards and bring them on. Is it right for a game of rugby and players safety who don’t match it 

I don't get why there's so much controversy about this. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic within the laws. The law just says you need 3 front row replacements, the rest is coach's choice. 

Few if any people are saying this isn't legal as the laws stand, just questioning whether the tactic of bringing on a whole new pack, or 7/8ths of one, is a principle we want in the game. I am one of many people with reservations about it. I would favour a 6-man bench with 3 front rows + max of 2 more forwards...

I don't think it's an issue, and it allows for different teams to play to their strengths and/or alter tactics from game to game which is all part of the sport that we love.


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Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.
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So Nat1 playing to your strengths is to have exceptional oversized players who can only last 40 minutes knowing you can bring on a new pack to replace them with possible injuries incurred in doing so. 
I am afraid that is not the way I would like rugby to proceed 
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

So Nat1 playing to your strengths is to have exceptional oversized players who can only last 40 minutes knowing you can bring on a new pack to replace them with possible injuries incurred in doing so. 
I am afraid that is not the way I would like rugby to proceed 

If that is where your strengths lie then yes that is exactly what it is. As the 4-time RWC winning Springboks will attest to. Possible injuries incurred in doing so? It's rugby at the end of the day, not football or cricket. All teams have an equal opportunity to bring on their replacements of choice to reflect their playing style or who their opposition might be. 

At the elite 6N level that this topic is about, these are professional athletes one and all, conditioned as such, and are therefore no more or less likely to get injured in a scrum vs a replacement pack (for which all forwards train for week in week out) than whilst getting smashed by the likes of Bundee Aki in the midfield.

Of course, just my opinion at the end of the day, but it's worth recognising that the science and medical expertise across World Rugby/6N is exceptionally detailed and comprehensive, so if the experts (not your average rugby enthusiast like us on the forum) deems it necessary to change the rules and regs on replacements then so be it.


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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.

A good point. Meet forward bulk replacements with a second playmaker like Marcus Smith in the backs. Shift the point of attack and run the bulky opposition forward replacements ragged around the park. 

Hence the argument of playing to your strengths, adopting tactics that outsmart the opposition and/or give you the initiative and advantage to win. Sounds a lot like professional sport to me.


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