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Oncoming train.
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More likely an angler fish.
A train would prove there was a way out.

The question is what would a Government review do.
Unless they are going to force a change, like the regulator being created for Soccer.

We could lobby to ave that regulator cover Rugby, I cannot see them setting up a separate regulator. But would that actually help.

We know the 57 old farts did not work well, and the omnipotent board does not work.
But do we have good ideas of what would work well?

If there was a clear path forward, which all the clubs agreed on, then life would be much simpler.

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Split the professional and amateur game. Have a representative from each county body running the amateur game. Give more autonomy to each CB to run the game according to the needs of their members.

Let the Exec concentrate on the professional game. 
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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Split the professional and amateur game. Have a representative from each county body running the amateur game. Give more autonomy to each CB to run the game according to the needs of their members.

Let the Exec concentrate on the professional game. 

At what level do you define Amateur Chris?
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That's a good point. Professional in my mind would be full-time contracted players. Part-time would be amateur.


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I think that is coming by way of diverting the vote of no confidence, pro game I think will be Prem 1 & 2, the rest go play with yourselves is the likely scenario.
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We had MPs getting involved when Sweeney appeared before the Select Committee over two years ago and what good did that do? So this latest intervention is likely to do nothing for the light in the tunnel in my opinion.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I think that is coming by way of diverting the vote of no confidence, pro game I think will be Prem 1 & 2, the rest go play with yourselves is the likely scenario.

That is why I believe the change needs to come at the top level management, to a body who wants to work with all clubs in order to help them  match their ambitions and give those clubs who want to progress, the opportunity to do so.


Rugby Chris. 

Nat 1 is a National semi pro league which, I would say more than half of which, have ambitions to go into the Championship.

Once you separate that you are effectively cutting that off which is not acceptable. I am not even sure how many Championship teams are fully professional for that matter. By your definition are they amateur?


The problem as I see it, and we have seen elements of this already, with effectively all other leagues below the Prem, where, teams, potentially including the Championship, being used as a means for Premiership teams to send squad players on a dual registration to those clubs, say in the Championship or Nat 1, which stilts those leagues, potentially giving them an unfair advantage over many clubs. Contrary to that, when those same players are recalled back to the parent club, that has the opposite effect.


This could lead clubs to a loss of identity, so everyone below the Prem may as well revert to the old Merit tables, just using the Leagues below the Prem as a means to give competitive game time to their top heavy squads. My belief is that is what the Prem clubs want (just my opinion) i.e a closed shop, which might benefit them, but not the game as a whole and certainly not the clubs below the Premiership.


To me it would seem as though the Union in this case would be obviating its responsibilities to the other clubs but it is up to the clubs to decide, not to be told what they have to do.



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