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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7806 |
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Read the article, but not convinced by the 'logic' of this bloke's argument - personally I don't see any of the 'phoenix trio' taking a place in Nat 1 this coming September... but of course the speculation will continue for as long as there isn't any confirmed news of what will happen.
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JZSmith ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 2024 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 202 |
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If they don't pay all the money they owe then starting in NL1 would be around ten levels too high.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3922 |
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You are mis understanding, at the end of 24/25 season they will allow any or all of the three failed sides into the Championship, if they do not do that then they are "relegated again" so if they were to try to join the league after the 25/26 season then it would be Nat1 for season 27/28. Unless of course you a Brand too big to fail, in which case you can do what you want.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7806 |
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You're right TB - I do not understand what the Worcester administrator is saying will happen, nor your interpretation/explanation of his comments. What's happened to the 26/27 season, which you appear to have missed out?!
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Rothman2 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Rotherham Joined: 20 Jan 2010 Location: Derby Status: Online Points: 12266 |
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It seems to have been already agreed that the Championship will be extended to 14 teams consisting of the existing teams, the Champions of National 1 and one invited club? As I understand it only one club seems to have any chance & it rhymes with duster.
To me it seems bizarre trying to re organise in this way as it was set up by the people who have presided over a failing system for years. Weren’t there moves afoot to try to offset the no confidence vote with a suggesting of handing over the community game to the clubs?? The main bugbear here would be that National 1 is not a community league. It services the community with lots of community initiatives, but essentially is a semi pro league, with a good number of clubs wanting to get to the Championship. There isn’t any chance they might want to regionalise National 1 is there? Lots of questions. But it does seem to me that as of now the only major issue that needs immediate attention is the Championship, which needs to move to 14 or may be even 16 clubs to give those teams a meaningful season without the nonsense side shows of Premiership cup which the Championship clubs have already declined for next season. The Championship clubs deserve a better structure and that must be next season. All this nonsense about the Championship lacking ambition is ridiculous. They have got there by their efforts on the field and that is integral to a league structure. The Prem is a mess and time is needed to address that. The Championship should be made up with the existing clubs and the top 2 or 4 from National 1 (they did four in 1995/96). The idea of introducing another club, which has already lost its place for financial reasons is beyond crazy and an insult to the integrity of both the Championship and National 1. Beyond that the real problem is the Premiership and the hierarchy of the game, and in my opinion, a totally new one, as the current ones in place to me are part of the problem. It needs a new broom to work out how it is that most clubs at the top are losing money yet their proposal seems to be offering a re organisation of the leagues below, when they should be looking at funding the Championship better in order that they may make a better fist of promotion opportunities, and by financing deals to develop the grounds of those clubs to meet criteria, rather than insist the clubs finance it all themselves without, as is at present, any guarantee that their application would be successful. Protectionism must stop, and please give up this stupid idea for having criteria for promotion to the Championship. The main issues are at the top of the game and that is what must be sorted first. It seems they are just messing around to maintain the old status quo with self preservation being the main aim.
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The Blues ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5044 |
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I also think bottom in the Championship should at least have playoffs against whichever team in ND1 that does not get automatic promotion.
In theory the season is already over and we are all just playing for pride.
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Nosides ![]() Academy player ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2024 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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The whole thing needs reviewing - the prem sides can’t possibly have anything approaching a sustainable future with only 10 sides in it, and with no additional competition to supplement that. Take 4 from the championship into the new prem, 6 up in to the champ so there are 14 sides in both leagues, and re-introduce promotion and relegation from those leagues, even if it’s 2 up and 2 down. At least 2 of the newly promoted sides in the prem and 4 in the champ would have at least 2 seasons to find their footing (and funding).
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rugbychris ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 02 May 2019 Location: London Status: Online Points: 200 |
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In theory that's great. But the prem sides are never going to agree to anything that cuts their funding. I think it's time to all agree that professional rugby has been an experiment that has failed spectacularly. It's decimated participation in the amateur game and the school game. Has taken 100s of millions of funding out of the game and left us with a huge concussion lawsuit.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7806 |
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There's a pretty large logistical hurdle here: N1 clubs 'break up' for summer on 26 April, while Champ season runs until 31 May...
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6550 |
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Disagree entirely. Two up, two down for me. Top and bottom of the Champ.. Never going to happen, but that's my view.
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Stalwart* ![]() First XV regular ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 2024 Location: Penzance Status: Offline Points: 74 |
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I think it's obvious to most of us that automatic promotion/relegation is what should happen; but clearly the Prem cartel are never going to allow it. So we get half-baked "compromises" which are, in effect, ring fencing. I say let the 10 remaining (for now - more likely to go bust pretty soon) Prem teams get on with it. Have The Championship as the pinnacle of the rest of rugby with proper promotion/relegation every season simply on merit.
A 10 team Prem, with no relegation, looks very tedious - especially if they tag on another cup competition against the same teams. Might be a hard sell to sponsors and broadcasters. |
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workerbee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 931 |
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The problem for the Championship clubs next season is the fact that their league season will still be aligned with the premiership. So there will be a number issues:
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5537 |
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This has popped up on Facebook:
Dear supporters, As part of our ongoing commitment to communicate to supporters as we work to bring competitive Rugby back to Sixways, Worcester Warriors can confirm that we have fully complied with all requirements set by the RFU as part of the tender process for entry into the Tier 2 Competition, launching in the 2025/26 season. While this has been an in-depth and extremely thorough process, we remain committed to ensuring that all necessary criteria are met. To this point, we continue to engage with the RFU and all other key stakeholders daily, and our objective to return Rugby to Sixways for the 2025/26 season has not waivered. We appreciate the patience and support of our fans, partners, and wider Rugby community throughout this journey, and we look forward to announcing the outcome of our application as soon as we can in the coming weeks. |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Nat1 ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2023 Location: Not given Status: Offline Points: 257 |
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This sounds to me as if the Warriors hierarchy may already know the outcome to be a positive one for their club, but just have to wait to announce it officially. They clearly have a stadium and fan base in the region, but my first thought is what the effects might be on clubs near and far as Worcester will need to get their coaching staff and squad from somewhere. Does anyone know if they plan to come back as fully professional from the outset?
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cheshire exile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2557 |
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How come a zombie club apparently knows what’s happening next season but no one else does?
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3922 |
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We are dealing with what looks like an inept bunch in the RFU, indeed I have heard it said by others Lovely, no idea myself. However I have a certain amount of sympathy for the Worcester position, fleeced by a would be asset stripper, if others accounts are to be believed, though oddly no criminal charges have occurred. I wish Worcester's new owners would do the honourable thing and start again at the bottom, like others have done, but it's all about the money now, rugby is no longer a game anymore.
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JZSmith ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 2024 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 202 |
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Rugby is still very much a game because rugby does not begin and end at the top couple of levels.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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As that last statement is sadly so accurate, it stands to reason the only way one can actually protest against this is by hitting them in their wallets. The best way to do that would be to boycott any matches hosted by the zombie franchise. Starve them of visiting fans money and show that the rugby community as a whole do not accept them for jumping the queue.
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Nat1 ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2023 Location: Not given Status: Offline Points: 257 |
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Whilst I agree with your sentiment (and I'm sure lots of other people on here do), I'm not sure that away fans boycotting Worcester Warriors or Sixways Stadium would make much of a difference at all. Looking at previous average attendances from their last 2 years in the Championship prior to promotion to the Prem, Worcester Warriors had over 6,000 people per game and a highest of over 7,000 in their 12,000 seater stadium. This is before you even take into account the much larger fan base they would have had as a Prem team before disappearing. Those figures dwarf all of the current Champ average attendances, which is alarming if accurate. I believe that Worcester Warriors Mk2 (as I've seen them calling themselves) will have quite the following and financial clout if even half of their fans have stayed loyal to them. There is also the considerable potential revenue drawn from non-rugby events/activity at Sixways Stadium. If they are allowed back in at Level 2, rightly or wrongly I think within 2 seasons they will be back in the Prem. Edited by Nat1 - 1 hour 11 minutes ago at 14:42 |
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3922 |
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I think money has an effect on clubs in all the National leagues and probably below that, clubs have to raise a lot of money just to exist, never mind paying players any fees.
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