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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2025 at 08:51
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

What do people feel about the 7:1 split 
If you have a similar set of forwards and bring them on. Is it right for a game of rugby and players safety who don’t match it 

I don't get why there's so much controversy about this. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic within the laws. The law just says you need 3 front row replacements, the rest is coach's choice. 

Few if any people are saying this isn't legal as the laws stand, just questioning whether the tactic of bringing on a whole new pack, or 7/8ths of one, is a principle we want in the game. I am one of many people with reservations about it. I would favour a 6-man bench with 3 front rows + max of 2 more forwards...
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Makes little difference, with only one back, you have more chance of getting though them, indeed a great chance of having players playing out of position. If we really want proper rugger, you do away with replacements all together and have one medical sub like it used to be.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

What do people feel about the 7:1 split 
If you have a similar set of forwards and bring them on. Is it right for a game of rugby and players safety who don’t match it 

I don't get why there's so much controversy about this. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic within the laws. The law just says you need 3 front row replacements, the rest is coach's choice. 

Few if any people are saying this isn't legal as the laws stand, just questioning whether the tactic of bringing on a whole new pack, or 7/8ths of one, is a principle we want in the game. I am one of many people with reservations about it. I would favour a 6-man bench with 3 front rows + max of 2 more forwards...

I don't think it's an issue, and it allows for different teams to play to their strengths and/or alter tactics from game to game which is all part of the sport that we love.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2025 at 13:19
Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2025 at 14:12
So Nat1 playing to your strengths is to have exceptional oversized players who can only last 40 minutes knowing you can bring on a new pack to replace them with possible injuries incurred in doing so. 
I am afraid that is not the way I would like rugby to proceed 
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

So Nat1 playing to your strengths is to have exceptional oversized players who can only last 40 minutes knowing you can bring on a new pack to replace them with possible injuries incurred in doing so. 
I am afraid that is not the way I would like rugby to proceed 

If that is where your strengths lie then yes that is exactly what it is. As the 4-time RWC winning Springboks will attest to. Possible injuries incurred in doing so? It's rugby at the end of the day, not football or cricket. All teams have an equal opportunity to bring on their replacements of choice to reflect their playing style or who their opposition might be. 

At the elite 6N level that this topic is about, these are professional athletes one and all, conditioned as such, and are therefore no more or less likely to get injured in a scrum vs a replacement pack (for which all forwards train for week in week out) than whilst getting smashed by the likes of Bundee Aki in the midfield.

Of course, just my opinion at the end of the day, but it's worth recognising that the science and medical expertise across World Rugby/6N is exceptionally detailed and comprehensive, so if the experts (not your average rugby enthusiast like us on the forum) deems it necessary to change the rules and regs on replacements then so be it.


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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.

A good point. Meet forward bulk replacements with a second playmaker like Marcus Smith in the backs. Shift the point of attack and run the bulky opposition forward replacements ragged around the park. 

Hence the argument of playing to your strengths, adopting tactics that outsmart the opposition and/or give you the initiative and advantage to win. Sounds a lot like professional sport to me.


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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.

A good point. Meet forward bulk replacements with a second playmaker like Marcus Smith in the backs. Shift the point of attack and run the bulky opposition forward replacements ragged around the park. 

Hence the argument of playing to your strengths, adopting tactics that outsmart the opposition and/or give you the initiative and advantage to win. Sounds a lot like professional sport to me.

Indeed but it should be remembered that professional sport is not always the best sport to watch.
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So, if I've got this right; England are playing a 10 at 15, a winger in the centre and a centre on the wing
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Originally posted by RedPete RedPete wrote:

So, if I've got this right; England are playing a 10 at 15, a winger in the centre and a centre on the wing

& 3 open-sides in the back-row...

and could end up with a flanker or a FH in midfield & a back row at lock. Quite the gamble from 'Borthers', who could attain hero or villain status by 6.40pm tomorrow depending how things turn out...
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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Surely the counter tactic to this is for the 2 or 3 backs subs to bring genuine change to the game rather than just fresh legs.

A fly half who is very different to the man he is replacing. Arguably England have this with Marcus Smith dropping in to different positions.

A good point. Meet forward bulk replacements with a second playmaker like Marcus Smith in the backs. Shift the point of attack and run the bulky opposition forward replacements ragged around the park. 

Hence the argument of playing to your strengths, adopting tactics that outsmart the opposition and/or give you the initiative and advantage to win. Sounds a lot like professional sport to me.

Indeed but it should be remembered that professional sport is not always the best sport to watch.

A topic for another thread perhaps.
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Good news that the 6N will remain on free to air channels for the foreseeable as I had thought that Sky, TNT or even Prime might have tried to get hold of it moving forwards.

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I thought they had Nat 1 so that is really good news.

Thank you for sharing.
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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Good news that the 6N will remain on free to air channels for the foreseeable as I had thought that Sky, TNT or even Prime might have tried to get hold of it moving forwards.


Good news for the fan but bad news for the game where their appeared to be no other interest and a small uplift in value. Don't forget CVC will get their cut meaning less for everyone else and a possibility ticket prices will rise again as the Union's look to increase their revenues. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 49 minutes ago at 20:57
Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Good news that the 6N will remain on free to air channels for the foreseeable as I had thought that Sky, TNT or even Prime might have tried to get hold of it moving forwards.


others did try, there's little doubt about that...
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Good news that the 6N will remain on free to air channels for the foreseeable as I had thought that Sky, TNT or even Prime might have tried to get hold of it moving forwards.


Good news for the fan but bad news for the game where their appeared to be no other interest and a small uplift in value. Don't forget CVC will get their cut meaning less for everyone else and a possibility ticket prices will rise again as the Union's look to increase their revenues. 

"Uplift in value"?! Do you put any value on top-level rugby having some exposure to the largest-possible TV audience, rather than being restricted to niche channels that limit such exposure? Is it all about the immediate price-tag, (ie taking whichever is higher) or should there be some consideration of the bigger picture and whether the game might grow or decline over the next decade or so?
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I have never seen such an inept ref in all my life. And I mean it.  Wales v England under 20's.  He shouldn't even ref a minis game
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Good news that the 6N will remain on free to air channels for the foreseeable as I had thought that Sky, TNT or even Prime might have tried to get hold of it moving forwards.


Good news for the fan but bad news for the game where their appeared to be no other interest and a small uplift in value. Don't forget CVC will get their cut meaning less for everyone else and a possibility ticket prices will rise again as the Union's look to increase their revenues. 

"Uplift in value"?! Do you put any value on top-level rugby having some exposure to the largest-possible TV audience, rather than being restricted to niche channels that limit such exposure? Is it all about the immediate price-tag, (ie taking whichever is higher) or should there be some consideration of the bigger picture and whether the game might grow or decline over the next decade or so?

You misunderstood me.  To the Union's and CVC is it all about the price tag. The latter would not have invested in the competition if they werent going to see any return on their investment.  The Unions needed an increase in the TV rights to dig themselves out of their financial mess. They would have been happy with a bidding war but there wasn't one which should tell the Union's that they aren't a good place if they can't interest competition in their prize tournament. The only upside for them is wider exposure will have a value in selling sponsorship and advertising. 


For the game as a whole it is good news as it keeps it in the wider publics view with the hopeful uptake in playing and supporter numbers... But the downside is that the Union's will squeeze the latter more to cover shortfalls in revenue. 

The deal should be a warning to the Premiership clubs that their estimation of their value will probably be lower than they expect and their next TV deal won't be a good one for them. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 59 minutes ago at 21:47
I thought I understood your 1937 post Richard... but disagreed with it.

I have zero comprehension of your later post at 2137, even after reading it a couple of times. Confused Maybe I'll try again in the morning after a strong coffee or two...
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