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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 14:18
If you are a club playing in the county league on a park pitch - the shenanigans at Twickenham are less important than whether the council will be able to keep maintaining the grass, and where to find sufficient players.

And it seems neither side really had arguments that inspired those clubs to vote.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dalesman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 15:11
[QUOTE=Nat1]Interesting to see how vocal Wayne Barnes has been in supporting Sweeney et al. Obviously a well respected former international referee in his day, but is he now on the RFU payroll at Twickenham in some other capacity?

The Telegraph today quoted Wayne Barnes RFU remuneration at £25,000 - a not inconsiderable little perk and presumably why he had to speak against the motion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 15:28
Has anyone seen a figure for how much the RFU spends on Council members (and spouses)  - travel, subsistence, dinners and hospitality around England games etc. ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 16:39
It's all right there is a Government led inquiry going on into all this......................................oh hang on that was years ago.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 17:35
My initial reaction was that if you have as much outrage as there was when the Sweeney bonus news first surfaced, but still only 200 out of 1,300 eligible clubs vote to back this motion, then there's no chance of achieving meaningful change anywhere down the line...

And this Telegraph article I've just read backs this up:

English rugby will never change if members do not bother voting
Shocking turnout of just 54 per cent for vote on RFU chief’s future asks serious questions of those who claim to care about the sport
Ben Coles
Rugby Reporter
28 March 2025 12:11pm GMT

In the end, there was one shocking figure as the votes were read out regarding Bill Sweeney’s future, but it was not related to the numbers either supporting or looking to oust the chief executive of the Rugby Football Union. The eyebrow-raiser was the level of turnout for one of the most important RFU votes in the past 20 years.

To give the full context, there are more than 2,000 RFU member clubs who are then split into two categories – voting members (clubs or referee societies) and non-voting members (members of their constituent body, casual clubs, work teams and so on), leaving you with 1,300 eligible voters.

Out of those 1,300 there were 672 votes cast during Thursday’s special general meeting for the motion of no confidence in Sweeney, with a further 36 abstaining. Which means a shade over half of those eligible voters participated. This was supposed to be a pivotal moment, the chance for those aggrieved by the management of English rugby at grass-roots level – well, all levels – to force change at the top after years of frustration.

And only about 54 per cent participated? That’s it?

Quite remarkably, the turnout is also understood to be the highest for this kind of event in the past 20 years.

Even if you park the Sweeney motion for a moment, the second motion to expedite the process of the Governance and Representation Review, leading to a greater say for clubs at a local level among other proposals from the recent RFU roadshow events, should surely have generated some enthusiasm, even if you took a cynical view and felt it was merely designed to be a distraction from Sweeney’s future and to prove the RFU were willing to change. Yet even then there were fewer than 700 votes cast.

Sir Bill Beaumont, the RFU’s interim chair, lauded afterwards that members had “voted emphatically to support our CEO”, which works when you look at the actual votes on the night – not that 200-plus votes against you is necessarily a good outcome – but less so when you consider how many potential voters did not participate. So, why didn’t they?

One reason, and this is being generous, could have been access. Tim Cunis, part of Old Pauline Football Club in Thames Ditton, noted while votes were being cast that it had been “hugely difficult” if you were not an honorary secretary of a club to get permission to attend the SGM. He also described the software to vote, for those representatives who had been appointed and who were not honorary secretaries, as not being “user friendly”, boldly comparing it to Horizon from the Post Office scandal. No one else raised these concerns, so they should be taken with a pinch of salt.

There are two other explanations. One is that the members who did not vote simply felt that there was no issue whatsoever with the RFU and Sweeney and how the game is being run, be it whether their concerns were being heard or the size of Sweeney’s salary. Maintain the status quo. And while that sentiment is fine, you would still hope they would at least exercise their right to vote by honouring the process and voting to keep Sweeney in place.

Instead, what if the rage which appeared to be simmering away in November and December when the LTIP scheme – a plan designed to keep high-level employees at companies – came to everyone’s attention, and led to the resignation of the previous RFU chair Tom Ilube, has simply given way to another emotion. Apathy.

Sure, attending the SGM in person comes with its own logistical issues. But to not even vote remotely, to participate with a couple of clicks, in a special general meeting? That lack of action in many ways sends a bigger message than abstaining or voting against Sweeney. It suggests exasperation with the entire process.

Perhaps those who opted not to take part wondered why bother to try to create change when the wait for action has been so long and the prospect of it seems so unlikely. Despite those ‘rebels’ who led the charge against Sweeney – Paddy McAlpine, Alistair Bow – leaving Allianz Stadium on Thursday evening with an apparent sense of optimism that real change was potentially on the way and their message had been heard.

Be frustrated, be disillusioned, absolutely. But to then complain down the road about a lack of action or reform or a broken system, of grass-roots clubs not feeling supported – having passed over the chance to create change within the RFU – would feel enormously hypocritical. If almost half of the eligible voters opt to abstain, then how can change happen?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nat1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 19:59
Very well said, completely agree. No individual and no club has a right to complain about Sweeney and the RFU if they themselves were in a position to make their feelings clear, and didn't, whether through apathy or not. It's akin to those who don't vote in political elections, but then moan about the lot who do get into power.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote One For The Ditch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 21:54
Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Very well said, completely agree. No individual and no club has a right to complain about Sweeney and the RFU if they themselves were in a position to make their feelings clear, and didn't, whether through apathy or not. It's akin to those who don't vote in political elections, but then moan about the lot who do get into power.

Absolutely agree. But, the RFU must respect those clubs that did vote and not use apathy as an excuse.
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