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Robb 
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 Posted: 22 Feb 2025 at 15:39 |
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Structure depends on how many, if a "group" of 16 then a first round on 12/04, then a 2 legged 2nd round/qu final on 26/04 & 03/05, semi the week after then final 17/05 |
I don't think it is a 2 legged quarter final.
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Robb
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Posted: 17 Mar 2025 at 12:28 |
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Well looks like only the Pizza Championship finalists get Twickenham. The Pizza Plate and Shields instead get some random non-league association football ground in Worcester.
Edited by Robb - 17 Mar 2025 at 12:29
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Posted: 17 Mar 2025 at 13:45 |
I assume that this is to help the phoenix club. Will they sell enough tickets to break even?
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Posted: 17 Mar 2025 at 15:22 |
Robb It is my understanding that there IS a two-legged tie at quarter final stage
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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 20:25 |
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I have a less complicated idea to fill the Saturdays of April; increase the leagues by at least 2 teams.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 21:58 |
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I have a less complicated idea to fill the Saturdays of April; increase the leagues by at least 2 teams. |
What a good idea, I wonder why the RFU don't do this?
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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 22:23 |
Raider999 wrote:
Mountain Man wrote:
I have a less complicated idea to fill the Saturdays of April; increase the leagues by at least 2 teams. |
What a good idea, I wonder why the RFU don't do this? |
Because of course they did a few years ago and decided level 5 needed 12 rather than 14 teams a league and threw the Pizza Trophy in to try to plug the loss of revenue.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 08:15 |
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The joke that is the Papa John's Cup has already begun with multiple withdrawals yet again - complete joke. Get rid of this fiasco and get back to 14 team leagues. This is the 3rd year that this has been a total failure - please don't tell me RFU have agreed a 10 year deal!
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 10:19 |
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The Papa Johns Trophy has been a non event for most clubs. Balancing income and expenditure for these games has left most clubs out of pocket and in many cases expensive long journeys later in the rounds. Gates have been poor and bar take low. I am sure most Clubs Treasurer's would prefer League games which bring in more income to the club and can be planned which results in better sponsorship and Pre Match lunches. Even in the Championship the Prem Cup was difficult to sell as the RFU did not announce the fixtures until virtually the start of the season leaving clubs to try to sell the games to sponsors who had already booked the league games. Cups are not a replacement for meaningful league games.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 10:28 |
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Absolutely spot on!
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 11:30 |
Does the Pizza Cup still involve clubs from Level 6 and below, or is it Level 5 and below?
I seem to remember the regional and counties leagues being reduced in size a few years ago due to concerns over the number of fixtures and players becoming burntout/injured, hence most leagues at those levels (where players aren't contracted/paid) ending by early April. This was after consultation between the RFU and the clubs themselves.
As a result, on the flip side of the coin some clubs felt that the season had ended prematurely, and so welcomed a cup competition to extend things. The main issue is that there is a lack of uniformity across the board insomuch as many clubs (from all over the country) aren't interested and their players are already welcoming the rest, which contributes to the many walkovers each year.
There is also a timetabling issue with the County Championships to contend with, with counties now leaning more heavily on players from the Regional leagues since the rules changed as opposed to the National Leagues in previous years. On the whole, those are the very same players who would feature in the Pizza Cup, which would mean extending a player's season into May and even June. If you factor in a club's typical pre-season, that makes it almost a calendar year of rugby. Great for supporters, hard on the body for players.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 11:41 |
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It does include L5 but few clubs have entered and now others (inc sadly us) dropped out for exactly the same reasons you state
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 00:21 |
/*Just read this tweet*/
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Just 52.4% of matches in today's RFU Papa John's Men's Cup were played - 80 out of 168 games were given walkovers. Nearly half of the games were not played! #PapaJohnsCup @RFU
Edited by islander - 13 Apr 2025 at 09:46
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 08:55 |
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font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; text-align: inherit; white-space: pre-wrap; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: ; text-overflow: ellipsis; -webkit--orient: vertical; min-width: 0px; max-width: 100%; -webkit-line-clamp: 10;"><span ="-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="border: 0px solid black; -sizing: border-; display: inline; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-family: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-: inherit; 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Nearly half of the games were not played! </span><span ="r-18u37iz" style="flex-direction: row;">#PapaJohnsCup</span><span ="-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="border: 0px solid black; -sizing: border-; display: inline; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-family: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; text-align: inherit; white-space: inherit; overflow-wrap: break-word; min-width: 0px;"> </span><div ="-175oi2r r-xoduu5" style="align-items: stretch; border: 0px solid black; -sizing: border-; display: inline-flex; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 0; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-height: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative; : 0;"><span ="r-18u37iz" style="flex-direction: row;">@RFU</span><span ="r-18u37iz" style="flex-direction: row;">
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Time for the RFU to bin off this stupid cup competition and revert to 14 teams per league
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 09:51 |
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Absolutely and we're still in it! But yes you've guessed it by virtue of a walkover. Total nonsense!
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 15:00 |
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Does anyone know how many of the 72 clubs at Level 5 entered this season?
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 15:25 |
The problem is there is a romantic attachment to a cup. Whenever anyone opens the discussion about season formats, someone asks for a cup.
However, these cups have many problems, especially organising travel with no warning. But also the plethora means none have any real cachet.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 17:22 |
There is of course a cup competition called the County Championship, which has been ignored and degraded (like many other things) by the RFU for years.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 18:06 |
Camquin wrote:
The problem is there is a romantic attachment to a cup. Whenever anyone opens the discussion about season formats, someone asks for a cup.
However, these cups have many problems, especially organising travel with no warning. But also the plethora means none have any real cachet.
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I would have thought the more sensible thing to do would be have it like the old Intermediate Cup. Staggered throughout the season.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 18:35 |
The County Championship is for CBs not clubs.
My usual request to advocates of counties as a solution to everything is to ask them to draw the traditional boundary of Worcestershire.
I suppose for rugby fans, I should ask the simpler question, what CB is Worcestershire in?
Also, can you define the boundary of the Eastern Counties CB? By the way, neither ECRU nor the RFU know the answer.
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