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Scrapping relegation and relaunching the Premiership as a collection of centrally licenced franchises, similar to cricket's Indian Premier League, would bring investment and stability to the tournament, says Bath owner Bruce Craig.

Major changes to the top flight are being considered by English rugby's powerbrokers after Wasps, Worcester and London Irish's bankruptcies knocked confidence and dented finances among elite clubs.

Cash-strapped Newcastle, who are bottom of the table this campaign, have been up for sale since November, while every club in the league operates at a loss.

Craig believes the threat of dropping into the second tier, which operates on far smaller budgets and income, deters fresh investment and tempts current owners into unsustainable spending.

"The instability it breeds has led to short-term decision making, investor uncertainty, and, in a number of cases, financial ruin," Craig told the Times., external

"Persisting with a system that restricts investment and prevents long-term growth is no longer an option

"Under a new franchise system, clubs will no longer be forced to gamble their future for short-term survival. Instead, they can focus on building a robust, sustainable, and commercially attractive sport that engages fans across the country."

Such a radical change would require approval from the Rugby Football Union Council, whose 62 members represent the wider game and is unlikely to be made imminently.

Licences for a revamped Premiership, which could be time-limited, reviewed and potentially revoked, may be a route to gradually expanding the number of teams competing.

The division consists of 10 clubs, but had plans to expand to 14 teams before Wasps, Worcester and London Irish went out of business.

Promotion and relegation between the Premiership and Championship was paused in February 2021 because of uncertainty caused by the Covid pandemic.

Although the link between the divisions was, in theory, restored this season, only Doncaster Knights were judged to have met the Premiership's minimum criteria around facilities and finances, with no other side eligible to contest a two-legged play-off against the top-flight's bottom side.

Doncaster, however, are sixth and out of the running for the Championship title.

Leaders Ealing Trailfinders and fourth-placed Coventry – the other two clubs to apply to be assessed – were judged to lack sufficiently solid plans for expansion of their home grounds in an independent audit.

Coventry chief executive Jon Sharp has said his club would be interested in the franchise route, , external while expressing concerns that the model could shut out other sides with ambitions to compete at the highest level.

Worcester, restored under new ownership, are set to return to an expanded Championship next season, while Wasps and London Irish also have aspirations to return to the top level after being bought out of administration.

Multi-millionaire Craig bought Bath in 2010, but has only recently seen his heavy investment pay out in a sustained challenge at the top of the table.

Last season, Bath lost out to Northampton in their first Premiership final appearance in nine years. They are 15 points clear at the top of this season's standings and into the European Challenge Cup semi-finals.

"This is not about self-interest," he added.

"It is an acceptance of the perilous state today of English club rugby. It is about aligning club rugby in this country with the world's strongest sports competitions, almost all of which use an expansion model rather than a system that deters investment through the constant threat of relegation."
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Bore off. So many disillusioned owners who seem to have done no due diligence before sinking money into loss making clubs. Seems they have been sold a vision that rugby is the next all conquering sport. It's a minor game with very limited audience outside of the 6 Nations. 
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

IPL-style Premiership revamp suggested by Bath owner

Multi-millionaire Craig bought Bath in 2010, but has only recently seen his heavy investment pay out in a sustained challenge at the top of the table.

Last season, Bath lost out to Northampton in their first Premiership final appearance in nine years. They are 15 points clear at the top of this season's standings and into the European Challenge Cup semi-finals.

"This is not about self-interest," he added.

"It is an acceptance of the perilous state today of English club rugby. It is about aligning club rugby in this country with the world's strongest sports competitions, almost all of which use an expansion model rather than a system that deters investment through the constant threat of relegation."


Nothing should surprise one, or cause mouthfuls of tea/beer to be spat out, when it comes to Prem/RFU rugby politics, but if Craig was able to make his 'self-interest' denial with a straight-face, that is truly astonishing...
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Cricket is the number one sport in India - perhaps the largest sports market in the world.
Tata pay $58 million per year for the sponsorship rights.
Chennai Super Kings alone made $13M in profit.

It is simply on a different scale to rugby - a sport where few sides can attract 10,000 spectators to a match.


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Well no relegation for the past 5 years (?) hasn’t made improvements. The premiership is a busted flush and totally boring and England seem to have taken a backward step despite huge payouts from the RFU. 
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I have not noticed that relegation has prevented investment in the round ball game. It is not relegation that prebmvents investment, it is that with or without relegation this is not a game that will attract investment (if we use investment as someone putting money in on the basis of making a financial return)
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Squads too big and pay too high commensurate with gate and tv revenue. 

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Cricket is the number one sport in India - perhaps the largest sports market in the world.
Tata pay $58 million per year for the sponsorship rights.
Chennai Super Kings alone made $13M in profit.

It is simply on a different scale to rugby - a sport where few sides can attract 10,000 spectators to a match.



Completely agree with you. Rugby should accept that it is simply a different kettle of fish when it comes to a professional capacity. 

There is nothing wrong with that, but it's better to come to terms with it and operate at (dare I say it) a sustainable and enjoyable level where the relatively small numbers of fans still get something out of it, and at a reasonable price.

I would look to English County Cricket and introduce two fully professional leagues/divisions with approx 8 teams in each. The majority of current Prem teams in Div 1, with perhaps Chiefs and Falcons in Div 2 along with Ealing, Cov, Pirates, Donny, Worcester and (if they could manage it/wanted to be fully pro again) Bedford.

There would be promotion/relegation between the two leagues and also some sort cup comp between the two. Ringfence those two leagues/divisions whatever you want to call them and that is professional rugby in England. 

As far as I can see, no other current Champ club would be able to/want to become fully pro so they would mix in with National 1 clubs to be the pinnacle of semi pro/amateur rugby in England. In essence, from then on professional and amateur rugby is seperated for good and the RFU could have a professional and amateur wing to it.

A bunch of ramblings and brainstorming which would probably not work, but food for thought. What do others think?


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I have come to the conclusion that Ealing is playing a waiting game. Eventually, other clubs will go bust, and Ealing will be there waiting. With a sports ground that brings in a steady revenue stream, year on year upgrades continue coming in a sustainable fashion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 hours 25 minutes ago at 18:16
Well they've already got the trial franchise in the Championship, why does it not surprise me that the big boys now want it at the top?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 hours 7 minutes ago at 18:34
The IPL is an additional tournament, not the main event for top players. Cricketers are also able to play many more matches than rugby players because the physical demands are lower. 

Hang on, why am I making sporting points when Craig's only point is to protect his investment and ensure that Bath never drop to the Championship? No sel0-interest there, is there?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 10 minutes ago at 20:31
The thing that's occurred to me while reading all this is that we all believe promotion and relegation between the Championship and Premiership should be sacrosanct, but only one club's supporters actually want their team to win promotion to the basket case that is the Premiership.

(I may be doing a disservice to fans of other clubs, but I suspect only a miniscule number)
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that Ealing is playing a waiting game.

I am coming round to your thinking. I find it incredible that Ealing ply the money in every year knowing the cartel is against them bewildering. The RFU / Premiership willingly accepted their women to bolster the Women’s game. 

The only reason their student side haven’t ascended to the top flight is down to good old honest rugby reasons - they haven’t won their playoff matches. 

It has been said by wiser heads on this forum than me but rugby is a busted flush as an elite professional sport in this country. The Premier League accommodated Bournemouth with their tiny stadium when they first made it to the Promised Land. 

If Ealing were allowed to take the slot they have earnt I fail to see how a packed Vallis Way would diminish the league when so many other stadiums are broadcast with hordes of empty seats.

As a Rosslyn Park supporter I get to see clubs with far superior home grounds and clubhouses. I would be more than a bit embarrassed if we got together with the other clubs in Nat1 to ensure that the only clubs allowed to come up had vastly superior grounds to us.


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