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ROLLO 
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 Topic: RefereesPosted: 08 Jun 2025 at 17:40 |
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Hi, as a Warriors supporters for over 25 years I am looking forward again to a spell in the championship. I was wondering what should we expect from the standard of refereeing. Premiership games have their moments, I don't even know if the TMO exisits in the Championship. Thoughts please.
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Camquin
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 18:00 |
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No TMO, at least not last year. Most grounds only have one camera. Very few have big screens, though I believe they may be required next season. It is mainly young chaps being fast tracked up to the Premiership. Most are OK. But there is considerable variability. |
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 19:10 |
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Every current ref in the Prem spent time in the 'Champ proving ground' (sorry, I lapsed into corporate jargon there) before moving up to the top tier. Quite a large proportion of Champ supporters have pretty -ve views on refs, including some who'll swear that a particular ref has 'got it in for' their club, which is a pity, as I think the standard is decent, and expectations that they shouldn't make mistakes are unrealistic...
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cheshire exile
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 19:29 |
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The biggest issue for me is that ref’s assistants often seem reluctant to get involved, which puts more onus on the man in the middle.
Given the interminable time some TMO reviews seem to take, I think we’re better off without them.
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fatbear
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 19:49 |
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I would say the standard of referees matches the players. Some very good, and some not so good. In most sports you tend to get the level of officials to match the standard of the play, and the players nearly always make more mistakes than the referee ! Some are excellent communicators, whilst the odd ones have strange signals that leave the viewer bemused as to what the decision was ! Over the course of 22 matches this season, all sides would have had some poor decisions go against them ( and forget the ones that went in the favour ! ) Just like the Premiership, feeds into scrums are crooked and the interpretation of what is a forward pass can be generous. As cheshire exile implies, some touch judges seem to be there only for lineouts. Thankfully there is no TMO. That would also mean there would be less referees available lower down the leagues.
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TeflonTed
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 19:57 |
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Even with the multi-camera multi-repeat playbacks there’s still controversy over some decisions in the prem aren’t there.
Did I not see Christophe Ridley as Sir in a Champ game recently on YouTube? Are there anymore female Sirs coming through?
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Camquin
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 21:22 |
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My impression is in Nat 1 they give the young refs older ARs to look after them. But in the Championship, all three are younger and slated to move up. |
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The Blues
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Posted: 08 Jun 2025 at 23:06 |
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You do get Premiership referees appear, especially international weekends and European cups.
I think the standard at Goldington Road has been pretty good. Yes things get missed or they blow up too early sometimes but no one gets it all perfect. It is harder to ref the championship as there is no back up. No TMO, and the assistants can be reluctant to let the main man know back foot offsides and forward passes.
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TeflonTed
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Posted: Yesterday at 07:59 |
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Surely the crowd assist with forward passes don’t they? Particularly when they’re standing on one 22 and the play is down the other end 😀
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Camquin
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Posted: Yesterday at 08:53 |
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The cry of "Every time, ref!" usually starts after thirty seconds. Crowds do have a strange form of astigmatism.
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I remember having a discussion about this with one of our coaches a while ago. He said that refs pretty much tell ARs how much input they want. May be different now, I don't know. They are now, after all, Assistant Referees, not touch judges - so you'd think that refs would want them to assist as much as possible! I think the standard is pretty good. These guys are human and will have on and off days and will make mistakes. In my opinion the best ref we've had at The Mennaye over the past few seasons is Sarah Cox. |
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JZSmith
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Posted: Yesterday at 12:15 |
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The problem is there is no one to look after the ARs!
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ROLLO
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Posted: Yesterday at 14:03 |
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Thnaks for the information I remember when we were in the championship before that as with the prem there are good and not so good days, that is with any sport. Quite happy not to have TMO, but wish for a greater input form the assistant referees. If nothing esle can they deal with one of my pet hates, the hooker throwing in from inside the field of play, that surely should be an easy one ?
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Bluesman11
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Posted: Yesterday at 14:12 |
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I do think there is a notable difference in quality when we get a prem ref step down during international/european weekends.
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Paul10
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Posted: Yesterday at 14:40 |
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On the line is in touch. Counts for hooker throwing in as much as ball carriers in regular play.
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TeflonTed
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Posted: Yesterday at 14:51 |
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We’ve been through this issue ad nauseum on the Wuss site a couple of years ago.
The law is that the player throwing into a lineout stands OUTSIDE the field of play. This from the official World Rugby site. Law 18.22 QUOTE…. The player throwing in the ball stands on the mark of touch with both feet outside the field of play. The thrower must not step into the field of play until the ball has been thrown. There’s even a little drawing showing the thrower in position. https://passport.world.rugby/laws-of-the-game/laws-by-number/18-touch-quick-throw-and-lineout/ |
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Paul10
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Posted: Yesterday at 15:15 |
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😲 😕
And there was me thinking it made sense...
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Posted: Yesterday at 19:01 |
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I must be old fashioned. You have a referee.
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Exactly, without one you wouldn't have a game.
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Or endless message board posts saying how rubbish he/she is!
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