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Originally posted by L33 L33 wrote:

A thoughts on the below

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by touchlineexpert touchlineexpert wrote:

Eddie,

What is it exactly you think the RFU should be doing to support grassroots clubs in your neck of the woods?


1) Not cutting back on travel expenses, in fact, paying a far greater percentage than they are now, to EVERY club who is in a league at whatever level - why should the RFU pay any travel expenses ? Name another sport that does ? 
2) Not asking clubs to pay for match officials - agree 
3) Spending money on training match officials - agree 
4) Building the 100 x 3G pitches THEY PROMISED after RWC 2015 - rough cost of 3G pitch £750k x 100 = £75m - could this funding be better spent improving floodlights / pitches across the country, would it have more of an impact ? 
5) Reducing the cost of Test match tickets -supply and demand - Twickenham on a match day could sell out x3 
6) Increasing the test match ticket allowance to clubs - this can be done if club create new team within their club and grow
7) Getting a website that works and doesn't need a degree in IT to use when you're a volunteer
8) Not playing all England games at Twickenham, make the game accessible to everyone, wherever they are in the country - there are positives and negatives to this, if they move the games to St James Park / Old Trafford / Anfield the RFU only receive the gate money, everything else would go to the stadium. Imagine the difference in £££ if they play at another venue rather than Twickenham (hospitality/ beer etc )
9) Organising a proper 2nd team league, instead of leaving it up to the clubs - Yes i agree - move with the times and support the growth of 2xv rugby. There are questions in the recent survey that's gone out to players and coaches regarding this. 
10) Re employ all those RDO's that they sacked, so as they can get back out in the field, spread the game and get more participation, instead again of leaving it to the clubs ...

That is off the top of my head without even thinking deeply about it, Big Eddie though might have totally different views ....   



1) The RFU set up the leagues, not the clubs, by definition, the RFU should contribute, I'm sure Darlington Mowden Park who spend £70k a year on travel would not agree with your sentiment

4) You miss my point re the AGP pitches, they DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY left, so your £75 million (it was actually going to cost £50 million) being better spent and having more of an impact is just not going to happen, that is my point about the mis management and lying to junior clubs about what the RFU were going to do for them

5) Twickenham would sell out if the Dagenham Girls Piper Band played rugby against anyone from another country, the point is the average grass roots supporter is being priced out in favour of the prawn sandwich corporate client who knows absolutely nothing about rugby apart from some guy called Johnny Wilkinson is playing fly half for Engalnd ..... irony in case you misssed it

6) So we sacked all the RDO's, so you as a club go and get more players and do our job for us and we'll reward you, yes your right but that favours clubs in high density population areas, how do Furness RFC get all these extra players? Think that is called discrimination ....

8) Lost revenue by moving games around the country? I suppose you have a point but since the RFU couldn't get an alcoholic p**sed in a brewery, that argument falls on it's face somewhat ... if any of them up there had a half decent business brain, the game would not be in the state it is at the moment

9)"Move with the times" not sure that would stand up in a court of law! .... Yes you're right a survey has gone out but as ever with the RFU, the questions have been loaded so as they get the replies they want so as they can then justify their actions afterwards

I note that you've not answered either questions 7 or 10, so you're in agreement with me that GMS is not fit for purpose and all the RDO's should not have been sacked ....



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Originally posted by touchlineexpert touchlineexpert wrote:



From my own club the exposure of our first international has been mad, during the rwc we averaged 8 new players at training each week!!

Youre third point i will give you, thats a shocker and questions need to be answered.



So your club recruited an additional 56 players? Your club now runs an additional 3/4 teams, fantastic. You should contact the RFU immediately, you are so bucking the national trend, they will want to talk to you, so as they can roll out the programme around the country ...

Er, it happened over 2 years ago, as most people in rugby know, so there are no questions that are going to be asked ....

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So, touchline, who and where is IRFC 🤔
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So, touchline, who and where is IRFC 🤔

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Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Originally posted by BeeBumble BeeBumble wrote:

So, touchline, who and where is IRFC 🤔

I am going with IvybridgeBig smile
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9)"Move with the times" not sure that would stand up in a court of law! .... Yes you're right a survey has gone out but as ever with the RFU, the questions have been loaded so as they get the replies they want so as they can then justify their actions afterwards.

Well said CN. I recall a question on the survey about whether you wanted 2nd XV teams to enter the RFU Leagues at Level 8 or above. There was no way of answering "I don't want 2nd XV teams in RFU Leagues".

So when they do their stats it will show as a popular move. They do this type of thing regularly with their surveys.
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When I have some time I am going to do an analysis of the RFU's financial position as disclosed by their latest accounts. Most may think this is an unnecessary exercise but the RFU's own financial reports are probably the best source of information as an indicator for what is going on or possibly more likely what is going wrong.

The financial small print in the back of a glossy annual report is generally more illuminating than the spin and PR at the front of the report. Often the detail in financial accounts are not transparent to those not used to analysing them.




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All wrong .... it’s Istanbul (suits a turkey) 


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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by L33 L33 wrote:

A thoughts on the below

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by touchlineexpert touchlineexpert wrote:

Eddie,

What is it exactly you think the RFU should be doing to support grassroots clubs in your neck of the woods?


1) Not cutting back on travel expenses, in fact, paying a far greater percentage than they are now, to EVERY club who is in a league at whatever level - why should the RFU pay any travel expenses ? Name another sport that does ? 
2) Not asking clubs to pay for match officials - agree 
3) Spending money on training match officials - agree 
4) Building the 100 x 3G pitches THEY PROMISED after RWC 2015 - rough cost of 3G pitch £750k x 100 = £75m - could this funding be better spent improving floodlights / pitches across the country, would it have more of an impact ? 
5) Reducing the cost of Test match tickets -supply and demand - Twickenham on a match day could sell out x3 
6) Increasing the test match ticket allowance to clubs - this can be done if club create new team within their club and grow
7) Getting a website that works and doesn't need a degree in IT to use when you're a volunteer - This is now better than it was a couple of years ago but still not great. When the RFU moved over to GMS they should have wiped the system and asked each member / player to go on and re-register themselves. What other online system do you complete a form and ask as stranger to enter your information for you on the internet ? Would you ask someone to create an Facebook, Easyjet etc account for you? 
8) Not playing all England games at Twickenham, make the game accessible to everyone, wherever they are in the country - there are positives and negatives to this, if they move the games to St James Park / Old Trafford / Anfield the RFU only receive the gate money, everything else would go to the stadium. Imagine the difference in £££ if they play at another venue rather than Twickenham (hospitality/ beer etc )
9) Organising a proper 2nd team league, instead of leaving it up to the clubs - Yes i agree - move with the times and support the growth of 2xv rugby. There are questions in the recent survey that's gone out to players and coaches regarding this. 
10) Re employ all those RDO's that they sacked, so as they can get back out in the field, spread the game and get more participation, instead again of leaving it to the clubs ... I agree RDOs & CRCs btw 

That is off the top of my head without even thinking deeply about it, Big Eddie though might have totally different views ....   



1) The RFU set up the leagues, not the clubs, by definition, the RFU should contribute, I'm sure Darlington Mowden Park who spend £70k a year on travel would not agree with your sentiment

4) You miss my point re the AGP pitches, they DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY left, so your £75 million (it was actually going to cost £50 million) being better spent and having more of an impact is just not going to happen, that is my point about the mis management and lying to junior clubs about what the RFU were going to do for them

5) Twickenham would sell out if the Dagenham Girls Piper Band played rugby against anyone from another country, the point is the average grass roots supporter is being priced out in favour of the prawn sandwich corporate client who knows absolutely nothing about rugby apart from some guy called Johnny Wilkinson is playing fly half for Engalnd ..... irony in case you misssed it

6) So we sacked all the RDO's, so you as a club go and get more players and do our job for us and we'll reward you, yes your right but that favours clubs in high density population areas, how do Furness RFC get all these extra players? Think that is called discrimination ....

8) Lost revenue by moving games around the country? I suppose you have a point but since the RFU couldn't get an alcoholic p**sed in a brewery, that argument falls on it's face somewhat ... if any of them up there had a half decent business brain, the game would not be in the state it is at the moment

9)"Move with the times" not sure that would stand up in a court of law! .... Yes you're right a survey has gone out but as ever with the RFU, the questions have been loaded so as they get the replies they want so as they can then justify their actions afterwards

I note that you've not answered either questions 7 or 10, so you're in agreement with me that GMS is not fit for purpose and all the RDO's should not have been sacked ....

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