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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2021 at 08:36
Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

The use of loan/DR players 


Over the last couple of weeks, with the Prem cup being on we have seen the strength of some sides change dramatically and also results accordingly. Richard Hill wrote in TRP a couple of weeks ago about the effect on the Champ, I think its more than that, I think its affecting National 1

 

There are many examples I can point out, but the main two are Taunton's side going to Blackheath and the Rams subs coming on at half time v Cinderford on loan from Irish.

Now look, I really do not have an issue with clubs at this level using DR/Loan players the issue I have is making National 1 a level playing field, between the have(relationship with prem side) and have not’s


Two weeks ago we saw Taunton get thumped at Blackheath, people can make up countless reasons why and Im not taking anything away from Blackheath’s win, but one of the main reasons as I see it that sticks out were the two half backs (Munders and Walsh) that have guided them so far this season, we're both playing for Exeter as well as others missing, so was that a real Titans National 1 side that has played others and gained very good wins, or did Blackheath get lucky and if they had played them this week the side would have been totally different as they would have retuned. 


You the add into that equation this weeks Rams v Cinderford game. Which was a great  clash, do not get me wrong. But why should Rams be able to strengthen their side with the addition of prop at half time from London Irish in Haffar, they had props that were playing  In the 2s that have had plenty of 1st xv rugby, but they bring in a guy  that has not played a single minute for Rams (please correct me if I'm wrong) and it changed the game after half time. Everybody that has an ounce of knowledge about National 1 know you go to Sale or DMP and its a totally different side, than you face if you are at home, because when they are home Sale and Falcons want their players to have a run,but when away these guys don't fancy it, but why be allowed to pick and chose


I totally understand the reason for loan players, I think personally the max should be 4 of DR/loan or mix in your match day squad, 20% of your playing squad on the day, as its affecting the results in this league and it’s at times not a level playing field, that brings into question the whole competition. I think a loan player should be with the club for the season at the start of the season, and unless you have major injury issues that’s it, not be able to bring in a prop because you are playing a side that can scrum mid week! 


At the end of this season if its 1, 3 or 5 that go up to the Champ, it's not an issue, the issue will be the arms race that will start in Jan getting players dual reg before the cut off. But then what club is going up, is it your club that’s been in National 1 or is it a mix of your club topped up with half the side from Prem clubs which you will never see again? It will also mean some very big scores against sides at the bottom that do not have the luxury of being able too do this.


I really think it's a big issue this and the NCA should look at this now.


Do understand what you're saying. 
Personally think there should be something like a cap of 5 dual-reg at L4, 4 at L3 & 3 at Champ. 
Too many players are signed at 18 by Premiership clubs - a large number of whom are no different in ability to their peers who miss out, and then gain access to Nat 2/1/Champ rugby without actually being of that level/being better then the player already at that club in their position.

On the topic of Tarek Haffar, he has already featured for Rams 2nd XV - so did his "time" like many Rams players do. I believe he's been on loan to 2 clubs this season.


I'd argue that Haffar didn't make as much difference coming on as a sub as James Baker made (Rams from U13s). 


Could very well be true, i believe he may be at henley now? or maybe wrong?
I didn't watch the game so couldn't comment, just know he played a game for the 2nd XV before.
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One of my points. Why is he not with one side for the season, how comes he can jump around teams. That is very wrong and I bet this is not the only player

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2021 at 12:16
The problem is the RFU, who write the regulations, are more interested in developing future England players than they are in the integrity of the community game.
They would much rather we just played friendly matches and left the senior clubs alone.
Community clubs are there to pay dues to keep the gin cabinet stocked, and produce young prospects that can be signed up by an academy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jasper99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Nov 2021 at 00:47
I've enjoyed the loan players. Any DOR worth their salt has to balance squad performance gaps with players who invest in their host club. There has to be a fit.

From a spectator point of view, supporters want to see quality players expressing themselves on the pitch. It can add footfall and welcome revenue to the club and if it means the bar in terms of selection is set higher, then that's simply a consequence of progress.

It's a pretty pointless debate anyway, since the incompetence of any governing body means that level playing fields are for the dreamers.




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