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From the BBC - Premiership clubs not sustainable with no safeguards.

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Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

I’m not 100% clear what ‘sustainable’ actually means in a rugby context. Would Ealing be able to sustain their current level of spending should Sir Mike no long be involved (for whatever reason)? Unless there was a replacement benefactor the answer is clearly no. But does that mean that Ealing could cut their cloth according, drop down a league, reduce squad size, perhaps follow a part semi-pro model? Clearly yes. Isn’t that how these things are supposed to work? The problem with Worcester and Wasps as I see it is that they were too proud (or arrogant) to even contemplate doing this. 

I think it is up to Gooley to create a sound business so that they can survive without him. He has done well to get here and so close to the Premiership, so now he must be looking to transition to be self-sufficient or near to, to ensure a legacy.

In reality Ealing are no different to many Premiership clubs reliant on wealthy people but where Ealing are more at risk is the age.

The issue is… if there was a quick departure how many players are on 2 or 3 year contracts? 

If you lose £6m of income whereas most clubs in this division probably range from £750k - £2m that works out to be a hit of 75% of lost money (using £2m and Ealing’s crowd numbers would suggest it would be a higher percentage than that).  If it were say 25% then it is probably “ok” as the players coming to the end of contact disappear and are either not replaced or replaced on the check.
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Interesting point to me in that article is the difference in value between the price paid for the PShares to worcs/Wasps - £9.8 million and the price mentioned to buy one £20million. On what fecking planet is this anything other than price gouging of the most insensitive and inappropriate kind!

I think I know part of the reason for this by the way. If the accounts of P shareholder clubs did not have such ludicrous values their accounts would crumble! I also think this issue is related to long held desire to insulate PLR from the relegation dilemma as how can those values be justified when a poor season can take the club to the champion. These shares do not have anything like this REAL value, but instead are a divisive tool to inflate the accounts and discriminate against everyone else. In commercial terms having one seems to be ticket to lose £4+ million a season. The auditors of every club and DCMS should be challenging these valuations and exposing them as the sham they are!

What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!
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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

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The issue is… if there was a quick departure how many players are on 2 or 3 year contracts? 

I gather that there is a transition funding plan for 2/3 years when the inevitable comes to pass. Therefore I’d like to think this has been considered. 

Generally speaking though, I’d be extremely surprised if Ealing weren’t looking closely and learning from the London Welsh, Worcester and Wasps debacles. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 12:42
Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

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The issue is… if there was a quick departure how many players are on 2 or 3 year contracts? 

I gather that there is a transition funding plan for 2/3 years when the inevitable comes to pass. Therefore I’d like to think this has been considered. 

Generally speaking though, I’d be extremely surprised if Ealing weren’t looking closely and learning from the London Welsh, Worcester and Wasps debacles. 

ET men's have been given 50 million. women's have been given 2 million in assured funding.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Ealing not willing to take on pointless debt per article below.


If they don't want to take on pointless debt then they aren't suitable for the Premiership!
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Ealing not willing to take on pointless debt per article below.


If they don't want to take on pointless debt then they aren't suitable for the Premiership!
This made me laugh
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Me too
What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Ealing not willing to take on pointless debt per article below.
If they don't want to take on pointless debt then they aren't suitable for the Premiership!
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